Yep.

I'm honestly surprised by how the chirpy bland people who are following the lead of previous winners are lauded for being "real" and "true to themselves", while Aaron, whose behavior doesn't remotely resemble previous winners, is chided for being a "game player", and everything he does is labeled as manipulative.

The most manipulation we've seen from him was in his VT and audition tapes. Somehow Aaron's tapes are taken at face value, while everyone else's are dismissed as "oh, that's just how they tried to get on the show". (Wasn't Jay's about how much sex he had in Thailand with prostitutes? Am I remembering that right?) Yet Aaron is really the manipulative, arrogant mastermind of his tapes, and everything he does in the house is fake and calculated. :conf:

Aaron's really bared his soul in there, and exposed a complicated, flawed personality that seems far more three-dimensional than what the others are allowing us to see on TV. I have no doubt that Alex, Jay, Louise, and Tom are all complex, interesting people, but I couldn't tell you how. (Faye I will say has been an onion, as she said tonight on Bit on the Side, for better or for worse.)

As far as manipulation, we have seen him try to manipulate people - badly! He's been nominated more times than anyone else this year! So how he's suddenly playing this blinder of a game with Faye really, really baffles me.

Even if he's playing up for the camera at times - which they all are - I think Aaron's still the most "real" of all of them. For all the housemates who've come out of the house and accused Aaron of manipulating the audience, I think they just fail to understand why he's so well-liked. Of course they're resentful, they weren't liked as much.

It takes true guts to go on TV and bear this much to the cameras, especially with that much money on the line. Aaron's got more guts than any of them, and isn't afraid to let it all hang out, for better or for worse.

Aaron to win!

I disagree with that, if you go into the house with any serious ambitions toward winning, i think you totally have to factor in keeping your fellow HMs on side. As soon as you become too ostracized from the group, rightly or wrongly, it rubs off on your public perception. Aaron's been fortunate that he's had some good weeks with the group, as well as the bad weeks. If all his time was spent dis associating with the group, and not concerning himself with their opinions of him, the public would have been more and more pissed off at his attitude to the point that his support numbers would have been down enough for him to be evicted.

But then we saw something on Day 1 which clearly supported the claim

i.e Rebeckah i like you turns around walks off and mutters i hate that girl

Day 1

Was his admission to manipulating noms to Gem not an indication of a continuation of his game plan?

this :wavey:

Im not saying to deliberately p*** them off or push them away, clearly that would affect his public perception as well. You misunderstand my point.

He is just his own person, and as such there are times when the HMs like him and times they think he's a total bellend. And being his own person means he is and generally has been unpopular with the HMs from day 1 pretty much. And no it hasnt affected how the public see him, neither has the hatchet job BB have attempted on him.

Cause, like I said he understands that if hes true to himself and consistent, then he has little to fear. Thats why weeks back he knew Anton would be hated, cause he knew how dishonest, snidey, unpleasant and generally sexist Anton had been. He totally understands what the public want, and no doubt what he liked when he watched BB (as he is a big fan of the show)

I find it hilarious that the poster has listed the negative things about Aaron that the non Aaron fans have been saying all along and getting blasted for and nobody seems to have realized it. You are all actually admitting we were right. This is classic. :laugh2::dance2::cheer2:

What im loving is your desperate attempt to claw some victory from an epic fail. Everything in that post proves he isnt a gameplayer (as people like you suggest) but that hes a flawed and complex, but honest and decent bloke.

I dont see how that IN ANY WAY proves what people like you have been saying (thats hes a gameplaying weasel)

So please enlighten me then, how is that post right if you still believe hes a gameplayer? I mean clearly the post is typed in a way to highlight how his detractors view his actions.

You know people like you, they view everything he does as nasty and malicious, yet also say hes a game player. The two things cannot both be true. Its not aimed at his fans, we know that those events did happen but not in the way or for the reasons you suggest.

That was Week One, not Day One, and Rebeckah had just spent god knows how long (we only saw an edited version) slagging Aaron to his face left and right, insulting his personality and values, saying Aden was more of a man than he would ever be, and chewing him out for trying to make jokes. He pulled her aside to try to clear the air, and she ended it by shouting an insult at his face as she walked off. That was when he muttered how he hated her.

As for manipulating the noms, he got himself on the block to give Faye a better chance at staying. What a monster.

I've never blasted anyone on here regardless of who they support. I've also never posted that I think Aaron is some Lord who can do no wrong. He's my favourite in there and there are times when he pisses me off too.

Oh Wow :eureka:

I so missed that Jet

[Qouting Op's Qoute]
So lets look at Aaron. What's he done to endear himself to his housemates and the viewers?

Be constantly moody and sulky.
Don't be a team player.
Pretend to fancy some housemates and then make them jealous by snogging someone else.
Deliberately fail tasks when your Housemates are desperate for food.
Get together with a girl 10 years younger than you and then keep falling out with her and upsetting her and ignoring her (that will endear him to all the female viewers and parents out there!)
[End Qoute]

:joker::joker::joker:

Of course being his own person has affected the way the public see's him. A perfect example is when he voted against the group plan the other day, he likely went from having a 30-40% chance of winning BB to a 20% chance of winning. I'm absolutely NOT saying what he did was morally right or wrong. But, what i am saying is that his actions gave his HMs and the public the ammunition needed to discredit him. If he simply followed orders he'd definitely have a far better chance of winning right now.

Im pretty sure it was Day 1 and it came after a making up where by Rebeckah and Aaron had clashed in the bedroom and before that in the toilet about her peeing on an x. It was a making up conversation that's how it ended, and Aaron saying

I like you

Reb turns around

I Hate you

Yep pretty confident of that

And of course peeing on someone is an arguable reason for hating someone but that's not the point the point is. It's two faced, and the sign of a game i.e keeping someone sweet.

And the noms thing, well your polarizing the argument really by making it about monsters or saints, good guys bad guys, it's not about that at all it's about is he playing a game. regardless of his reasoning manipulating votes by it's very definition strikes me as Game

I think there is some confusion around this. (for me)

There was a time (I thought it was during week two) when Aaron hugged Rebeckah after some argument. He went on to tell her she was his favourite girl in there. She then walked off and he went into the toilet and said something like 'God I hate that women'

Unless you are talking about another completely different conversation.

Yeah granted its a fine line, but thats same fine line has got him this far and he will be remembered a long time after the shows ended, even if Alex ends up winning. He will go down in BB history, the others will be forgotten. And lets be honest, none of them care much about the main prize anymore, its just about being remembered and not forgettable. And besides I dont think it affected his chances much at all, I think his supporters have the intelligence to see that it was Louise who ****ed the whole thing up.

Sorry but did she not also hate him (spent much of her time bitching about him) in those early weeks you arent just gonna come out and say you hate people. But days later he had made it pretty clear he didnt like her much. And at the time I think he just wanted rid of her, she was being drunk and annoying.

As for vote rigging, was it not the infamous wolfpack who block voted against him and his friends for weeks on end, dont you think he had every reason to try and fight back?

Yep it's different, the incident i'm remembering took place outside in the garden. But what your describing sounds very similar doesn't it, and with that in mind i will check my facts before insisting i'm right. Edit or wrong of course:blush::blush::blush:

Yeah I think you're right, it was after she'd gone on about how he was the kind of guy who thought he had everything when really he had nothing, and he replied "I've got a Nintendo Wii" :laugh:

Of course he has a gameplan, but he's lousy at it. But when he topped the votes every time he was up for eviction, he realized that he should carry on with what he was doing as people must like it. So more moods, more devious behaviour - and many obviously do like it, though why on earth why I have no idea.
His actions are so contrived it is embarrassing, and his awareness of where the camera is (especially when he is snogging Faye) is nauseating.
Previously the fans insisted he had NO game plan. Then when Anton and Harry insisted that he had, many fans turned completely and hailed him as the master game planner. Now it has completely turned around again. I'm dizzy at the speed of which they change their minds to suit.
The truth is that many Aaron fans are stubborn and won't admit they were wrong - so he may well win. There will be plenty of 'I want to be proved right' votes. That's not what BB is about, and the whole spirit of it will be lost. God knows where BB will go from here in the years to come.

There are reasons many people can't stand him, and it has nothing to do with an Aaron hate conspiracy. There is hardly ever a guest on BOTS or OKTV that doesn't see through him - they have their own independent opinion but because it doesn't match those of Aaron fans they are part of some master conspiracy. Such nonsense.

It was in the garden, she was drunk, rambling and trying to get a rise out of him in a 'jokey' way cause he spurned her frankly disgusting advances on day 1 when she was all over him like a cheap suit.

He said it just to get rid of her basically and shut her up.

Yeah I know, I thought it was a good comeback :D

No. You're confusing two things that happened about five days apart.

The "have you ever weed on someone" was the first night, and aired on the Day One highlights ep.

"God, I hate her" was around Day Six? It was the first eviction episode. Remember, the clip was followed by Brian making fun of it, so it was a live show night.

"God, I hate her" followed a lengthy drunken discussion in the backyard. That was when Rebeckah was going on about how men thought possessions made their penises larger. Aaron said he had a Nintendo Wii and looked down at his groin. Rebeckah was not amused and told him how this made him a horrible person.

He chased after her to make amends, telling her she was becoming one of his favorite people. She responded by insulting him once more and yelling at him to sort himself out.

That's when he made the "God, I hate her" comment.

(I know, I know, this is way too much useless information.)

So he has a gameplan but its rubbish and everyone apart from everyone on ths forum and the 100s of 1000s who vote and keep him in totally agree with you??

Can I have some of what your smoking? Also selective memory much? His battle with the wolfpack (which he won with a cracking smile on his face) was legendary, his early humourous times with Tom (before he went bunnyboiler) and Harry were also great. In fact the only miserable sulky times he has had have totally reflected what most normal people thought.

He copped the ump with Jay offensive jokes and behaviour - check I would to. He copped the ump when they pathetically tried to be 'entertaining' by throwing food around - check I would to etc etc

What you cant stomach is that someone who you dont like is so liked. They all have gameplans of one form or another. They all feed off the public adoration, thats what BB is about. So what exactly is your point, how is he any different to anyone else.

Nothing he does is contrived, the reason he looks for the cameras is to hide as he knows Faye is a bit weird and awkward about it. Jay on the other hand virtually eye ***ks the camera lens, as does Louise with her feeble flirty glances right down the camera and poor attempts to hide her laughter in serious situations.

PS: Oh really dont start using that pit of crap that is BOTS as a valid reason to bash him. Its a scripted show, E Willis is on message, the 'fans' are mostly dullards who have nothing better to do each night than turn up for that crap and the panels are usually fairly split about him.

Indeed Liam (from BB? cant remember) who won that cash and seemed a really nice lad, said he couldnt understand the hatred and vitriol toward Aaron and all he thought he was guilty of was being a bit moody.

I think we got there in the end..:D

The point regardless for me is if he says one thing to her face and another behind her back, it's about keeping her sweet so she doesn't nom him, and i think that is backed up by him saying whilst walking around in the garden talking to himself words to the effect of

im sick of pretending to like people in here so they don't put me up.

And i accept he has the right to defend himself, and i am not saying this reveles a dark side to Aaron i am saying though, regardless of motive it's about how you defend yourself and he chose to do it via manipulating noms = game. I'm not sure what was happening with the Wolfpack that encouraged him manipulate the noms. I'd suggest it's been his plan all along and would of done it regardless of any provocation.

Yeah, fair points, it's all risk/reward. Personally i really like seeing HMs defy the group/peer pressure. It makes for a much more interesting dynamic than a house full of fence sitters or robots. But, unfortunately often it doesn't do any favours with the public perception, is the only point i was making. I really hope you're right, and it doesn't affect his chances, but i guess i'm a little more pessimistic than you.

Not everyone on this forum agrees with YOU.

Speak for yourself.

So you are Aaron's 'twin' - and cop every ump he cops. Good for you.

I don't think you really want me to tell you.

Then why grab her for a snog (both times) when the camera is right beside them and pointing at them? He does it when he is on his OWN plenty as well.

I didn't mention the fans, they are the same most of the time. I was talking about the panel guests who are FAR from split about him. I can't recall ONE guest in the last few weeks who has anything good to say about him - quite the opposite.

So Liam the oracle has spoken. That proves Aaron must be great. :hugesmile:
Hate is a strong word. I don't hate Aaron - I think he is manipulative, immature, self - centered and a wet fish and yes, I don't understand BB fans admiration for him. I really don't. But I don't hate him - lets say I don't think he would be a worthy winner because I don't admire his behaviour.