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Ammi 05-11-2011 03:48 PM

I've been an Aaron fan from the beginning because of the complexity of his personality..he is flawed imo and has done a few things I've not liked particularly...but that doesn't make him 'nasty ' or 'manipulative' or comparing him to a wife abuser.....streuth...he may have helped a few situations along to his advantage...I think they all have...they all have interesting personality traits which they have 'played up' for the show..that doesn't make them 'false' people...... it's is a game...if Aaron is the 'gameplayer' as people say, well that's fine with me..but it doesn't mean that everything he does is part of that game..we've still got to see Aaron the person as well as Aaron the gameplayer and overall...I can't find anything to complain about.
I do agree with the OP..I haven't really complained much about his 'bias'...I see more and more Aaron fans everyday...without the bias he may have just got a place in the final, nothing more.....with the bias....he will win....

Vicky. 05-11-2011 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ButterflyGirl (Post 4722103)
They hate Aaron because he isn't like thier golden boy and girl Alex and Jay, look who got the top prizes.

That was decided randomly. By the housemates, nowt to do with BB

MTVN 05-11-2011 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4722105)
and to use the same word again: BB have consistently been targetting Aaron with bad edits, manipulated to make him worse than he is - and conversely, the have consistently given Jay very good edits and hidden some of the most vile things - even to the point that housemates haven't even been allowed to discuss some of it - or rather - if they have, it's not been shown.

I disagree, Jay hasn't been getting good edits for weeks, they haven't tried to hide anything since the freezer incident

Pyramid* 05-11-2011 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4722099)
I think the connection you are failing to make is one that is of CONSISTENCY.

One or two random acts, outwith normal behaviour, doesn't justify her not being labelled boring. She is boring, and she is consistently boring.

Even some of the housemates were/ are /have been saying the same thing.

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Originally Posted by MrWong (Post 4722104)
The only 2 to have live feed (Anton & Jay) called her boring too and Alex was the most boring according to them.

Precisely. She is consistently boring. But re Alex: Jay and Anton only saw 2 days of live feed - and that could very well have been manipulated as well, to give the pair of them a false perception of how Alex is being regarded outside the house: which given that she's in the lead to win - appears to back this up.

MrWong 05-11-2011 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 4722108)
I disagree, Jay hasn't been getting good edits for weeks, they haven't tried to hide anything since the freezer incident

Not true.

There are clips online of housemates accusing Jay of being aggressive over the food and sulking in his bed for two days. Not shown on the highlights.

lucyann 05-11-2011 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Objectivegirl (Post 4722081)
****ting in the freezer???

Exactly.... Why was this hushed up? Why isn't he told not to wee in the pool, would any of us want to swim in the same water? there is a toilet right by the pool for goodness sake.

Pyramid* 05-11-2011 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 4722108)
I disagree, Jay hasn't been getting good edits for weeks, they haven't tried to hide anything since the freezer incident

Really?

Allhis love ins with Loobrush.

All the focus on his pathetic 5 year old attempts at 'love letters' and love messages?

Him making out that he thinks Aaron's a top bloke, considers him a mate now?

Him not banging on about not enough food anymore.

It's only been the last few days that we've seen Jay being the guy most of us loathe him for being - days, not weeks.

Objectivegirl 05-11-2011 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 4722089)
Just because they don't show every disguting thing he does doesn't mean they don't show any of it

C5 even have their daily rag going on about it :idc: http://www.dailystar.co.uk/playlist/...isgusting-Jay/

Yeah but none of his disgusting behaviour had been shown on the main programme until Rebeckah exposed it on BBBOTS (having fully expected it to have been shown in footage). That's when the BB team decided to run with it. The man is a neanderthal

MTVN 05-11-2011 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MrWong (Post 4722112)
Not true.

There are clips online of housemates accusing Jay of being aggressive over the food and sulking in his bed for two days. Not shown on the highlights.

We saw him punching a pillow twice over the food situation, and we've seen him do plenty of sulking and moaning over food, there was even pretty much a whole episode just showing him sulking that night where they all put the tape over their mouths to stop themselves talking, they made him look like a bit of a nutter

Vicky. 05-11-2011 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4722110)
Precisely. She is consistently boring. But re Alex: Jay and Anton only saw 2 days of live feed - and that could very well have been manipulated as well, to give the pair of them a false perception of how Alex is being regarded outside the house: which given that she's in the lead to win - appears to back this up.

Yes, Jay and Antons LF was manipulated.

I know this because they were watching someone, and then the camera turned to Aaron and Faye kissing and they made a big deal out of not wanting to watch THAT (whilst antons eyes were out on stalks :laugh: )

They obviously didnt get to pick what they saw, and from the little bit of footage WE saw, it seemed the camera was on Aaron and Faye much more often than the others.

vesavius 05-11-2011 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MrWong (Post 4722100)
You think showing her throwing a ketchup bottle at Aaron's head would mean she's not boring?

I feel you are deliberately misunderstanding me. :/

I don't think it would be a good act, but it would definitely show some spark or interesting side to her personality. It would get her talked about, it would create drama.

Fan of other HMs would criticise her, others would rise to defend her... Instead?

Nothing.

See where I am coming from?

MTVN 05-11-2011 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4722114)
Really?

Allhis love ins with Loobrush.

All the focus on his pathetic 5 year old attempts at 'love letters' and love messages?

Him making out that he thinks Aaron's a top bloke, considers him a mate now?

Him not banging on about not enough food anymore.

It's only been the last few days that we've seen Jay being the guy most of us loathe him for being - days, not weeks.

I refer you to the thread I made 2 or 3 weeks ago now: http://thisisbigbrother.com/forums/s...826&highlight=

- His "contest" with Mark
- Shaving his ass
- Punching the pillow
- Pissing on Mark in the shower
- Saying he wanted to kick Harry's head in
- Talking derogatorily about women
- Getting ketchup over Harry’s clothes and denying it
- Stamping on banana’s
- His general anger about food

All stuff they showed that reflected negatively on Jay and since then we can add several more things as well

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Originally Posted by Objectivegirl (Post 4722115)
Yeah but none of his disgusting behaviour had been shown on the main programme until Rebeckah exposed it on BBBOTS (having fully expected it to have been shown in footage). That's when the BB team decided to run with it. The man is a neanderthal

Rebeckah didn't expose anything, she just said she'd nominate him over the "fisting thing" and that was back in week 2 anyway, so you're saying they've not covered anything up since then?

vesavius 05-11-2011 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 4722108)
I disagree, Jay hasn't been getting good edits for weeks, they haven't tried to hide anything since the freezer incident

Jay has become incredibly dull since his Wolfpack heyday, just as a side observation.

MTVN 05-11-2011 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 4722124)
Jay has become incredibly dull since his Wolfpack heyday, just as a side observation.

Each to their own :idc:

vesavius 05-11-2011 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 4722126)
Each to their own :idc:

I am hurt that you don't care :bawling:

vesavius 05-11-2011 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 4722106)
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I do agree with the OP..I haven't really complained much about his 'bias'...I see more and more Aaron fans everyday...without the bias he may have just got a place in the final, nothing more.....with the bias....he will win....

Yep, with the perceived 'bias' he definitely has a great chance.

Without it... Freddy.

MrWong 05-11-2011 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 4722120)
I feel you are deliberately misunderstanding me. :/

I don't think it would be a good act, but it would definitely show some spark or interesting side to her personality. It would get her talked about, it would create drama.

Fan of other HMs would criticise her, others would rise to defend her... Instead?

Nothing.

See where I am coming from?

Nope. Alex has barely been shown and she could win it.

We see a few minutes of her playing pat-a-cake, pat-a-cake with Tom on the highlights.

Pyramid* 05-11-2011 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 4722123)
I refer you to the thread I made 2 or 3 weeks ago now: http://thisisbigbrother.com/forums/s...826&highlight=

- His "contest" with Mark
- Shaving his ass
- Punching the pillow
- Pissing on Mark in the shower
- Saying he wanted to kick Harry's head in
- Talking derogatorily about women
- Getting ketchup over Harry’s clothes and denying it
- Stamping on banana’s
- His general anger about food

All stuff they showed that reflected negatively on Jay and since then we can add several more things as well



Rebeckah didn't expose anything, she just said she'd nominate him over the "fisting thing" and that was back in week 2 anyway, so you're saying they've not covered anything up since then?


I'd rather deal with the vile things that have been covered up...... the freezer palava, the fisting thing, pissing in the pool, him being very aggressive and far more than it appears we have been shown.

the things you have mentioned above: in the vast majority, HAD to be shown - not because they involved JAY but because they were designed to show up other housemates.

- Shaving his ass BB thought this was amusing
- Punching the pillow this was designed to show how well he handled his aggression - and to show how ANGRY other housemates made him
- Pissing on Mark in the shower This was a byproduct of showing a convo by 2 other housemates in the forefront.
- Saying he wanted to kick Harry's head in Again, to put Harry in a bad light because Harry bought the bananas
- Talking derogatorily about women
- Getting ketchup over Harry’s clothes and denying it Designed to wind up Aaron and Harry and then Anton - Jay had to be shown.
- Stamping on banana’s
- His general anger about food Which he blamed on OTHER housemates - so it was a way of making out the others housemates were at fault for causing his anger

See...... it's all very subjective.

Pyramid* 05-11-2011 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 4722124)
Jay has become incredibly dull since his Wolfpack heyday, just as a side observation.

*Falls flat on floor, grabs smelling salts*

That's twice today I've agreed with you.

I hope someone is taking notes here!

:D

vesavius 05-11-2011 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MrWong (Post 4722148)
Nope.

What a shocker :joker:

vesavius 05-11-2011 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4722153)
*Falls flat on floor, grabs smelling salts*

That's twice today I've agreed with you.

I hope someone is taking notes here!

:D

You'll come around to the idea that I'm usually right soon Pyr :joker:

Ammi 05-11-2011 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ButterflyGirl (Post 4722103)
They hate Aaron because he isn't like thier golden boy and girl Alex and Jay, look who got the top prizes.

That was nothing to do with BB....(although the whole twist was cr*p imo)....the problem with saying things like that are bias, when they obviously aren't is that when something really is...it's 'oh..here we go again........'
I personally thing BB has shown bias to other H.M's too..they haven't got such a negative response from BBOTS and OKTV though.....but I do think it's helped him gather more fans......surely a good thing in the end

MrWong 05-11-2011 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 4722158)
What a shocker :joker:

I guess it would be shocking, having your theory blown to bits.

MTVN 05-11-2011 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4722149)
I'd rather deal with the vile things that have been covered up...... the freezer palava, the fisting thing, pissing in the pool, him being very aggressive and far more than it appears we have been shown.

the things you have mentioned above: in the vast majority, HAD to be shown - not because they involved JAY but because they were designed to show up other housemates.

- Shaving his ass BB thought this was amusing
- Punching the pillow this was designed to show how well he handled his aggression - and to show how ANGRY other housemates made him
- Pissing on Mark in the shower This was a byproduct of showing a convo by 2 other housemates in the forefront.
- Saying he wanted to kick Harry's head in Again, to put Harry in a bad light because Harry bought the bananas
- Talking derogatorily about women
- Getting ketchup over Harry’s clothes and denying it Designed to wind up Aaron and Harry and then Anton - Jay had to be shown.
- Stamping on banana’s
- His general anger about food Which he blamed on OTHER housemates - so it was a way of making out the others housemates were at fault for causing his anger

See...... it's all very subjective.

Well with the freezer incident there'd be pretty clear implications that they would like to avoid; there would have been been a lot of controversy if it had been aired, it's a production nightmare, I'd imagine they just considered the best thing to do would be to sort the situation out and draw a line under it. And we still don't even know what this "fisting" thing is, probably just a disgusting story. They did show him pissing in a pool?

Anyway the point is that plenty has been shown for Jay to be considered quite disgusting just on the HL's alone, there has also been footage showing him angry, showing him in a strop, showing him falling out with other house mates etc. etc. The Desmond owned paper have even carried a story with the headline "Fury at disgusting Jay", they further often show his crude moments on BOTS and he's often criticised on there, Emma even said she'd be "scared" of him. I'm surprised there is still people arguing the "he's the chosen one" line tbh

vesavius 05-11-2011 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MrWong (Post 4722166)
I guess it would be shocking, having your theory blown to bits.

And here I was thinking you didn't know how to be funny :joker:


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