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MachoPoodle 08-11-2011 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy Mars III (Post 4733430)
It is quite clear that he is upset because he knows Aaron is right but doesn't want to admit it.

I see you've adopted Aarons idea that anyone that disagrees with you does so because they feel guilty.

Marmalite 08-11-2011 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MachoPoodle (Post 4733407)
Yes, I did. Aaron has nothing to say for himself, and he surely does not destroy anyone. Jay is clearly upset yes, but I'm pretty sure that's because he's proper angry about Aaron unjustly playing the victim card once again, and not making the slightest effort to put things right.



Oh dear!

Do you really think you have to have a verbal slanging match to win or "own" someone. :nono:

The moment Jay swayed off the subject and brought up Faye and that he was responsible for her leaving was the very point Aaron owned him. He could not win with his petty argument so had to start getting personal and bring in rubbish which actually (as Aaron pointed out to him) wasn't true because it was his g/f fault.

Owned .... big time!


And I won't even waste my time on Louise ..... who almost attempted to get some tears but clearly failed as she had missed that acting class lesson!

Roy Mars III 08-11-2011 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MachoPoodle (Post 4733458)
I see you've adopted Aarons idea that anyone that disagrees with you does so because they feel guilty.

It's okay, I forgive you.

Kazanne 08-11-2011 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ellen (Post 4733435)
Yeah lets all feel sorry for poor hard done by Aaron ,the master manipulator who has never said or done anything behind any one's back....

Aaron has played a good game until now but he should stop this poor little picked upon me bull,this is of his own making and should stop acting like a two year old.

IF he'de been playing this massive 'game' as some people claim then he would have gone along with the 'present' thing to make himself look good,Aaron does not try and win favour and that is one thing I like him for,he is not pretending to be such a 'nice' person,then threatening to 'knock someone out'.

Kazanne 08-11-2011 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Marmalite (Post 4733470)
Oh dear!

Do you really think you have to have a verbal slanging match to win or "own" someone. :nono:

The moment Jay swayed off the subject and brought up Faye and that he was responsible for her leaving was the very point Aaron owned him. He could not win with his petty argument so had to start getting personal and bring in rubbish which actually (as Aaron pointed out to him) wasn't true because it was his g/f fault.

Owned .... big time!


And I won't even waste my time on Louise ..... who almost attempted to get some tears but clearly failed as she had missed that acting class lesson!


Exactly,Jay was floored with just a few words.

MachoPoodle 08-11-2011 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy Mars III (Post 4733473)
It's okay, I forgive you.

You could at least have been funny, that's just meh. At best.

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Originally Posted by Marmalite (Post 4733470)
Oh dear!

Do you really think you have to have a verbal slanging match to win or "own" someone. :nono:

The moment Jay swayed off the subject and brought up Faye and that he was responsible for her leaving was the very point Aaron owned him. He could not win with his petty argument so had to start getting personal and bring in rubbish which actually (as Aaron pointed out to him) wasn't true because it was his g/f fault.

Owned .... big time!


And I won't even waste my time on Louise ..... who almost attempted to get some tears but clearly failed as she had missed that acting class lesson!

Yes, please do ignore why Jay brought the nominations up, because it's not like it's in any way relevant that Aaaron goes behind people's back whenever it suits him and then try to make it out like it's because of his principles. The reason why he mentioned how Aaron was with Faye is because it highlights Aaron's behaviour whenever he's fallen out with someone; he never tries to meet them halfway.

Jay is the bigger man here, no matter what one might think of him otherwise. He reaches out, Aaron does not.

Jords 08-11-2011 03:16 PM

Just remember Aaron removed HIMSELF from the group.

Marmalite 08-11-2011 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MachoPoodle (Post 4733518)
Yes, please do ignore why Jay brought the nominations up, because it's not like it's in any way relevant that Aaaron goes behind people's back whenever it suits him and then try to make it out like it's because of his principles.



What like your ignoring the fact that Aaron was the only one amongst the lot that had the brains to tell them how to vote initially so that they would all be up but it was BB stopped them and made them redo the noms numerous times?

Or was it the fact that it was not Aaron but Jay's idea to get everyone up and Aaron said right from the start he's not being told by anyone on how or who to vote?

Or would it be the fact that Louise chose to put Faye up instead of choosing Tom in which they would all, except Alex, be up?

Or would it be the fact that Louise said afterwards that she didn't want to put her friend Alex and Tom up so chose Faye and knew exactly what she was doing?


Sorry, I'm a bit confused as there are so many options to choose from!

Kazanne 08-11-2011 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jords (Post 4733520)
Just remember Aaron removed HIMSELF from the group.

Glad he did,I wouldn't want to be around people like Louise and Jay,Good on him

Scotty07 08-11-2011 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kazanne (Post 4733255)
They cannot function alone,they always have to have back up the true sign of a coward,love or dislike Aaron,he doesn't need to form 'gangs'

It's the same every year, you're always gauranteed to get more sheep. Housemates that think for themselves and aren't afraid to say what they think for fear of being up for eviction or being isolated, are the reason I watch Big Brother. It's a shame we don't get more of the Aaron's, Marcus's, Rex's, Science's etc. etc. and less of the gangs.

BB10 in particular, was spoilt because of the sheep. Almost every week that year, interesting and outspoken housemates whether you liked them or not, were up for eviction in a head to head. Marcus Vs Freddie being the worst in BB history because they were both my favourites by far that year:bawling:

AARON TO WIN.

Tourmaline 08-11-2011 03:51 PM

Does Louise have ANY principles at all? One minute she's saying she'd prefer to send money to Africa and in the next breath she decides to buy a £500 pair of shoes to someone who has already made £10,000 and therefore can well afford to buy her own

soundslike 08-11-2011 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kazanne (Post 4733316)
Mr Cool,can upset people without even a word:joker::joker:


Mr Cold more like. and that sulky creased face would upset the nicest of people.

MachoPoodle 08-11-2011 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Marmalite (Post 4733547)
What like your ignoring the fact that Aaron was the only one amongst the lot that had the brains to tell them how to vote initially so that they would all be up but it was BB stopped them and made them redo the noms numerous times?

Or was it the fact that it was not Aaron but Jay's idea to get everyone up and Aaron said right from the start he's not being told by anyone on how or who to vote?

Or would it be the fact that Louise chose to put Faye up instead of choosing Tom in which they would all, except Alex, be up?

Or would it be the fact that Louise said afterwards that she didn't want to put her friend Alex and Tom up so chose Faye and knew exactly what she was doing?


Sorry, I'm a bit confused as there are so many options to choose from!

We have different views on the nom thing, and I have no desire to bring up that discussion in general. It was only relevant in the sense that no matter if one shares Jay's take on that or not, they were similar and recent enough to warrant him bringing them up. If Jay and Louise are shady for not telling Aaron they changed their minds and decided to buy gifts anyway, then Aaron is certainly shady for not telling them he was changing nominations.

Kazanne 08-11-2011 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by soundslike (Post 4733884)
Mr Cold more like. and that sulky creased face would upset the nicest of people.

He has a lovely face,don't be silly,calling someones looks is a bit er.................shallow,he hasn't upset me and I am nice:dance::dance:

lucyann 08-11-2011 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy Mars III (Post 4733275)
Good to see Aaron owning them all

Well said... Aaron has more dignity in his little finger than that pair in their whole bodies.

lucyann 08-11-2011 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MachoPoodle (Post 4733973)
We have different views on the nom thing, and I have no desire to bring up that discussion in general. It was only relevant in the sense that no matter if one shares Jay's take on that or not, they were similar and recent enough to warrant him bringing them up. If Jay and Louise are shady for not telling Aaron they changed their minds and decided to buy gifts anyway, then Aaron is certainly shady for not telling them he was changing nominations.

Big brother made them change their nominations until they got the result they wanted probably.:nono:

Cromwell1900 08-11-2011 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MachoPoodle (Post 4733518)
You could at least have been funny, that's just meh. At best.



Yes, please do ignore why Jay brought the nominations up, because it's not like it's in any way relevant that Aaaron goes behind people's back whenever it suits him and then try to make it out like it's because of his principles. The reason why he mentioned how Aaron was with Faye is because it highlights Aaron's behaviour whenever he's fallen out with someone; he never tries to meet them halfway.

Jay is the bigger man here, no matter what one might think of him otherwise. He reaches out, Aaron does not.

Yep!

The good thing about Jay is you can clearly see his faults, and he's played the game as himself, hidden nothing, his personality will decide if he wins or not. putting cr*p in a freezer is horrendous, yet it proves he's not wearing a mask.

MachoPoodle 08-11-2011 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by lucyann (Post 4734065)
Big brother made them change their nominations until they got the result they wanted probably.:nono:

:sleep: And here we go again. I'm getting nauseous of your running around in circles.

spintronic 08-11-2011 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by fruit_cake (Post 4733214)
Aaron's doing so well, it must be really difficult for him

I agree.

Vicky. 08-11-2011 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by lucyann (Post 4734065)
Big brother made them change their nominations until they got the result they wanted probably.:nono:

Seems a bit like that from what faye said. She seemed to be implying that they nominated a fair few times rather than just twice as we were shown

It also took over 2 hours for the nominations according to twitter...so this kind of backs up the above view. Wouldnt take 2 hours for 6 people to nominate twice.

Marmalite 08-11-2011 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MachoPoodle (Post 4733973)
We have different views on the nom thing, and I have no desire to bring up that discussion in general. It was only relevant in the sense that no matter if one shares Jay's take on that or not, they were similar and recent enough to warrant him bringing them up. If Jay and Louise are shady for not telling Aaron they changed their minds and decided to buy gifts anyway, then Aaron is certainly shady for not telling them he was changing nominations.


Why did he have to tell them.... it was a face-to-face nomination? :shrug:


The only way that it could possibly have been similar is if BB had accepted their original votes of having everyone up and Aaron had gone into the diary room after noms and changed his decision without telling everyone and then suddenly said to Alex afterwards "Oh, btw I got you off being nominated this week so you're safe. I hope you like my generous gesture, it cost me 500 quid. I've never spent 500 quid on anyone before. Did I mention that it cost me 500 quid."

Vicky. 08-11-2011 05:49 PM

This vid has been removed from facebook and the c5 site for some odd reason :bored:

Glad someone uploaded it to youtube.

Sick of them removing vids after putting them up, and never giving a reason.

Vicky. 08-11-2011 05:57 PM

What I dont get about this is...ok jay is apparently trying to stop the animosity in the house. That would be fair comment...however, Aaron hasn't even mentioned this since it happened. It is Jay and Louise that keep bringing it up, and therefore Jay and Louise who are continuing the animosity in the first place.

Also it was Jay that said he swears he will never speak to Aaron again and went a bit mental raging on about it(during the party...you know, the party that he was moaning that AARON was ruining) and swapping the money round, but then after hes had his rant he expects Aaron to jump to what he wants? Reminiscent of Jems attempt to 'build bridges'...she had her say and then expected Aaron to forget it because she had decided enough was enough.

The excuse is that its Aaron causing an atmosphere for the whole house, when this isnt the case. There is no atmosphere between Aaron/Alex/Tom. Only with Aaron/Lou/Jay. If they were really bothered about the atmosphere, they would leave Aaron to do his own thing, and stop ranting on about it in front of Alex and Tom. Both of whom look quite out of place and awkward during this clip. Because other people are still ranting.

Basically, because Aaron didnt do what Jay wanted... Jay has brought it all back up again in front of everyone to try and score points. Thats what I get from this video.

Also, what doesnt make sense at all..is that Jay is trying to rid the house of atmosphere...right...but he had already had this particular convo with Aaron...so why have it again in front of everyone? Because he had backup? In having the same rant yet again, he is continuing it.

It's interesting that when Jay was outside with Aaron alone they were having a calm, reasonable conversation but when there's an audience he becomes confrontational. Very interesting indeed ;)

MTVN 08-11-2011 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 4734150)
What I dont get about this is...ok jay is apparently trying to stop the animosity in the house. That would be fair comment...however, Aaron hasn't even mentioned this since it happened. It is Jay and Louise that keep bringing it up, and therefore Jay and Louise who are continuing the animosity in the first place.

Also it was Jay that said he swears he will never speak to Aaron again and went a bit mental raging on about it(during the party...you know, the party that he was moaning that AARON was ruining) and swapping the money round, but then after hes had his rant he expects Aaron to jump to what he wants? Reminiscent of Jems attempt to 'build bridges'...she had her say and then expected Aaron to forget it because she had decided enough was enough.

The excuse is that its Aaron causing an atmosphere for the whole house, when this isnt the case. There is no atmosphere between Aaron/Alex/Tom. Only with Aaron/Lou/Jay. If they were really bothered about the atmosphere, they would leave Aaron to do his own thing, and stop ranting on about it in front of Alex and Tom. Both of whom look quite out of place and awkward during this clip. Because other people are still ranting.

Basically, because Aaron didnt do what Jay wanted... Jay has brought it all back up again in front of everyone to try and score points. Thats what I get from this video.

Also, what doesnt make sense at all..is that Jay is trying to rid the house of atmosphere...right...but he had already had this particular convo with Aaron...so why have it again in front of everyone? Because he had backup? In having the same rant yet again, he is continuing it.

It's interesting that when Jay was outside with Aaron alone they were having a calm, reasonable conversation but when there's an audience he becomes confrontational. Very interesting indeed ;)

But Aaron not mentioning it is precisely the reason why there's a negative atmosphere, it's because of his refusal to try and talk about the whole thing, he might not be outward and expressive with his anger but it's always there bubbling underneath the surface and that creates an uncomfortable living situation.

We all say things when we're pissed off in the heat of the moment that we don't mean; Aaron has said plenty of times that he's not going to talk to X for the rest of the series, Aden said it about Louise as well, I don't see why it comes under so much scrutiny now that Jay has said it. And he's not really expecting Aaron to "jump to what he wants" by apologising and admitting he was wrong. It's the other way round really, Jay has had to jump to what Aaron wants and swallow his pride because it was the only way of getting Aaron to even utter a word to him

Aaron came in, Jay said he could come and sit with them so they could have a proper discussion because he realised it wasn't just about the two of them, they needed to resolve things as a group and also considering he'd been out there slagging Louise off then she does have a right to defend herself as well tbf. And I think he became more confrontational because Louise was kind of inflaming the whole situation in a way

chuff me dizzy 08-11-2011 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kazanne (Post 4734046)
He has a lovely face,don't be silly,calling someones looks is a bit er.................shallow,he hasn't upset me and I am nice:dance::dance:

Why do people have to have personal digs? IMO Aaron is stunning,by far the best looking this year,but this is not about looks, i am not that shallow ,its about good, nice, morals,standards and THATS why Aaron is by far the best HM8 this year


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