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Mumbles 17-11-2011 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 4763871)
Ah right, I just wikipedia'd the town his Mum's from and it said it's "approximately 5 miles to the south-west of the city of Newcastle upon Tyne" so I presumed that was his nearest City
No worries, the curse of Wiki strikes again. I don't think there's a huge amount of difference between Sunderland-Durham and Newcastle-Durham anyway, though ironically, despite the historic connections it's actually easier to get to Newcatle from Durham than it is to get to Sunderland from Durham.

To add to the discussion, you do find that outside of Sunderland and Newcastle, there is a lot of variation in the outlying areas of the 2 cities, so people from some of the places in Durham or South Shields are just as likely to call themselves Mackems as they are Geordies. Those people calling themselves Geordies in these places are usually referred to by people from Sunderland as "Plastic Geordies".

Pyramid* 17-11-2011 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 4763878)
I cant believe I am sticking up for Jay here...but I dont really see what the big deal is. Whichkam is NOT far from Newcastle at all. And he grew up in Byker...so he is a geordie.

If you grew up in scotland, then moved to england when you were, for example, 16...you would still tell people you were scottish no?

And maybe he didnt say he was from Whickham because he didnt want people stalking out his flat. (as they have managed to do anyways :laugh: ) Whickham aint that big. maybe there was some other reason...maybe he just wanted people to think he was from Newcastle, maybe the housemates didnt discuss their hometowns...or maybe BB just didnt show it, who knows. But its hardly the deception of the century.

We all have different opinions. I fully believe that Jay has deliberately been duplicitious - and this is yet another example of why - and I have explained in detail, why I think that.

That doesn't negate my point - and neither does yours, negate yours.

To answer you: my accent would tell them I was from Scotland, however I would say, "I live in Hastings" but come from... XYZ. If I had been sharing a house with those same people, 24/7: you can bet they would know exactly where I came from originally, where I lived now, when I moved etc.....

It is afterall, a place whereby opinions will not alway be shared, and this appears to be one of them.

Locke. 17-11-2011 01:58 PM
I am from a place 5 minutes from Liverpool but if I was asked I would say I am a scouser. No big deal.

Vicky. 17-11-2011 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4763886)
I fully believe that Jay has deliberately been duplicitious
But what would he stand to gain though, by saying he was from Newcastle instead of saying he was '5 mins outside of Newcastle'? I dont get this at all.

Its LESS deceptive than previous 'geordies' on the show. Liam was presented to us as a geordie, yet was from lanchester. Anthony was apparently a geordie, but he was from Consett. Alex was a geordie, yet she was from Shields.

Mumbles 17-11-2011 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 4763878)
I cant believe I am sticking up for Jay here...but I dont really see what the big deal is. Whichkam is NOT far from Newcastle at all. And he grew up in Byker...so he is a geordie.

If you grew up in scotland, then moved to england when you were, for example, 16...you would still tell people you were scottish no?
I think we should all just agree he's Plastic Geordie and move on. I agree, it's not a massive deception and not an uncommon one for people from Durham, but it's a deception of sorts but no worse than Alex not fessing up to being a Sand Dancer. It's a question of how cynical a move it was on each of their parts though. Were they saying they were Geordies in order to try and attract votes from the barcode sheep from Newcstle? Possibly. Didn't work though, so doesn't really matter either.

Pyramid* 17-11-2011 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Locke. (Post 4763887)
I am from a place 5 minutes from Liverpool but if I was asked I would say I am a scouser. No big deal.
Bit of a difference living 5 minutes away from Liverpool.....and living approx 30mins drive from Liverpool - which is the driving time between Durham and Newcastle.

Same as where I am compared to Glasgow / Edinburgh.

Vicky. 17-11-2011 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mumbles (Post 4763899)
I think we should all just agree he's Plastic Geordie and move on. I agree, it's not a massive deception and not an uncommon one for people from Durham, but it's a deception of sorts but no worse than Alex not fessing up to being a Sand Dancer. It's a question of how cynical a move it was on each of their parts though. Were they saying they were Geordies in order to try and attract votes from the barcode sheep from Newcstle? Possibly. Didn't work though, so doesn't really matter either.
:joker:

I have never heard that term about geordies. I do however, know a Plastic Paddy :D

fruit_cake 17-11-2011 02:05 PM
I live in a city but if I didn't I'd probably just pick the nearest one and say that, it makes sense to avoid having to explain it every time

Locke. 17-11-2011 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4763903)
Bit of a difference living 5 minutes away from Liverpool.....and living approx 30mins drive from Liverpool - which is the driving time between Durham and Newcastle.

Same as where I am compared to Glasgow / Edinburgh.
There is no difference, I am sure if I lived on the opposite side of the county I'm from then it would be a 30 minute drive, but it would still be the same county and right next to Liverpool.

Vicky. 17-11-2011 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4763903)
Bit of a difference living 5 minutes away from Liverpool.....and living approx 30mins drive from Liverpool - which is the driving time between Durham and Newcastle.

Same as where I am compared to Glasgow / Edinburgh.
Jay is not a 30 mins from Newcastle though.

Jay lives in Whickham, probably about 5/10 mins from Newcastle. Its on the borders of gateshead, which is just over the other side of the Tyne.

Jays MOTHER lives in Ouston, which is probably closer to about 20/30 mins away.

Pyramid* 17-11-2011 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 4763894)
But what would he stand to gain though, by saying he was from Newcastle instead of saying he was '5 mins outside of Newcastle'? I dont get this at all.

Its LESS deceptive than previous 'geordies' on the show. Liam was presented to us as a geordie, yet was from lanchester. Anthony was apparently a geordie, but he was from Consett. Alex was a geordie, yet she was from Shields.
I don't agree Vicky..... given his whole persona of being just a normal, hard working, no real money, wants to give his mam money - he made out on the show that he wasn't from a priviledged background: when clearly he has got trappings of wealth, and that is funded by a wealthy family.

Now nothing wrong with the wealthy family, or where he lived.....but it is the duplicitious nature and maner in which he portrayed himself (constantly) as being some regular Joe, struggling to make ends meet type thing.

Vicky. 17-11-2011 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4763913)
I don't agree Vicky..... given his whole persona of being just a normal, hard working, no real money, wants to give his mam money - he made out on the show that he wasn't from a priviledged background: when clearly he has got trappings of wealth, and that is funded by a wealthy family.

Now nothing wrong with the wealthy family, or where he lived.....but it is the duplicitious nature and maner in which he portrayed himself (constantly) as being some regular Joe, struggling to make ends meet type thing.
But thats nothing to do with where he lives though. I do get your point about him making out he had nowt...but I dont see the connection between him saying he was from newcaslte instead of '5 mins outside of newcastle' or 'just over the river'

Pyramid* 17-11-2011 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 4763912)
Jay is not a 30 mins from Newcastle though.

Jay lives in Whickham, probably about 5/10 mins from Newcastle. Its on the borders of gateshead, which is just over the other side of the Tyne.

Jays MOTHER lives in Ouston, which is probably closer to about 20/30 mins away.
Okay, fair enough. I'll accede to that point. but see my last post before this: he portrayed himself to be something he is not in respect of his lifestyle/background etc....... that's the bit that's sheer duplicity..

Pyramid* 17-11-2011 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 4763914)
But thats nothing to do with where he lives though. I do get your point about him making out he had nowt...but I dont see the connection between him saying he was from newcaslte instead of '5 mins outside of newcastle' or 'just over the river'
See my last post... !! We are crossing over in postings.

it's to do with him pretending he is something he's not.

Vicky. 17-11-2011 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by alex_front2 (Post 4763712)
He comes from a leafy part of rural Durham and his mum's wealthy - despite MaMa McKray claiming on Harry's eviction that her son is a 'humble working class Geordie, hard working plumber' etc. Jay's probably posher than Aaron :joker: but not as posh as Harry (probably why Harry was chosen so he'd be the posho).

You see a "Geordie" accent hides a multitude of 'sins' (ie real class background etc)

Now I understand why he was annoyed that real Geordie Alex was in the house and hardly spoke to her for ages (she ruined his 'down to earth' Geordie USP).

Now I understand why he was able to afford a £50K car and a rather swanky flat, Armani T-shirts and jeans (despite claiming to be a humble plumber struggling for work). :joker:
This bit makes me laugh too.

Alex wasnt a geordie, far from it. Jay was closer to a 'real' geordie than Alex was :joker:

Mumbles 17-11-2011 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Locke. (Post 4763910)
There is no difference, I am sure if I lived on the opposite side of the county I'm from then it would be a 30 minute drive, but it would still be the same county and right next to Liverpool.
Newcastle's not, and never has been in the same county as Durham though, unlike Sunderland which is closer to Durham than Newcastle and was part of the same county until about 30 years ago (possibly slightly longer, can't be arsed to look it up).

His choice though, he can either be a Mackem or a Plastic Geordie.

This clamoring to be a Geodie is nothing new though, even the cast of Geordie Shore weren't all Geordies. There was a girl from Sunderland, who didn't really mention that, and there was a girl from Middlesbrough who tried to claim she was a Geordie and not a Smoggy, despite the fact you have to drive through, or at least past, Sunderland to get to Newcastle from Boro.

Vicky. 17-11-2011 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Mumbles (Post 4763925)
Newcastle's not, and never has been in the same county as Durham though, unlike Sunderland which is closer to Durham than Newcastle and was part of the same county until about 30 years ago (possibly slightly longer, can't be arsed to look it up).

His choice though, he can either be a Mackem or a Plastic Geordie.

This clamoring to be a Geodie is nothing new though, even the cast of Geordie Shore weren't all Geordies. There was a girl from Sunderland, who didn't really mention that, and there was a girl from Middlesbrough who tried to claim she was a Geordie and not a Smoggy, despite the fact you have to drive through, or at least past, Sunderland to get to Newcastle from Boro.
Is Whickham classed as County Durham? Would have thought it was Tyne and Wear :S

Mumbles 17-11-2011 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 4763908)
:joker:

I have never heard that term about geordies. I do however, know a Plastic Paddy :D
Same deal I'm sure. A lot of it stems from football loyalties, with fans from the sticks opting for the city of whichever team's doing the best at the time, so loads claimed to be Geordies during the Keegan era, less when they got relegated a couple of years ago.

daniel-lewis-1985 17-11-2011 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by alex_front2 (Post 4763872)
Your plea to stop Jay bashing would have a million % more credibility if you also plead to stop Aaron bashing, as Aaron gets a much rawer deal! :joker::joker:
I actually think Aaron was an awesome housemate.

You know you can like a housemate without hating another or hating the members of the forum for supporting another housemate.

daniel-lewis-1985 17-11-2011 02:19 PM
Oh and im from a tiny village in Wales called Pontlottyn but because no one knows where it is i say im from Cardiff. This means i am decieving people and must be punished :rolleyes:

Pyramid* 17-11-2011 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985 (Post 4763938)
I actually think Aaron was an awesome housemate.

You know you can like a housemate without hating another or hating the members of the forum for supporting another housemate.
First part I agree with - I can and do like some housemates and don't need to hate other ones.

The Bib though, what has this got to do with the discussion....we are discussing housemates..not our feelings for or towards other forum members.

Mumbles 17-11-2011 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 4763930)
Is Whickham classed as County Durham? Would have thought it was Tyne and Wear :S
Whickham's Tyne and Wear, but where his mum's from is in county Durham. Just living somewhere doesn't necessarily make you the same categorisation as others who were born there though. I've been down south for over 20 years now, but I'm still a mackem as I was born in Sunderland, so I guess it depends on where Jay was born, which we don't really know do we?

Re: Alex not being a Geordie, she does actually have more claim to being a Geordie than Jay, if Jay was actually born in Durham that is, as South Shields is actually on the banks of the Tyne.

Pyramid* 17-11-2011 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985 (Post 4763940)
Oh and im from a tiny village in Wales called Pontlottyn but because no one knows where it is i say im from Cardiff. This means i am decieving people and must be punished :rolleyes:
Were you on the show this year -saying this? Which housemate were you because I can't recall you ? :conf:

I ask because I thought we were discussing housemates and where they live/come from/ their background.....

Pyramid* 17-11-2011 02:25 PM
Is it fair to say that as far as being regarded as a true Geordie....that the opinion is, Jay is not?

Perhaps a Plastic Geordie, but what one regards as true Geordie in the true nature and understanding of the term?

Mumbles 17-11-2011 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985 (Post 4763940)
Oh and im from a tiny village in Wales called Pontlottyn but because no one knows where it is i say im from Cardiff. This means i am decieving people and must be punished :rolleyes:
How long does it take to explain what you've just written there - that you're from a village called Pontlottyn which is near Cardiff? It surely can't take more than a second more than saying you're from Cardiff.


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