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Shasown 16-12-2011 02:42 AM
Theres a big clue as to the Afghani culture in the delight shown by the young lad in the vid it may even have been his own pet sheep.

Pyramid* 16-12-2011 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 4820856)
Saudi and Afghanistan are two very different cultures> believe me I have worked in both countries.

The integration of field units isnt for any covert reason its dead simple the Afghan units work alongside a Yank unit, initially following, then eventually the US unit allows them to take on more of the workload, eventually the US unit pulls out.



Sorry mate, hate to disallusion you, but have seen animals slaughtered in the field by Afghanis in the past. Done with a prayer yes. But not with a sharp knife nor out of sight of other animals etc. The animal was knocked sensless then had its throat ripped out as opposed to opened.

Also what you have to remember is the Afghani culture isnt exactly the same as other muslim cultures.
I'm still not buying it. There is no way that that is a method of sacrifice: to batter countless times like that, whilst it's trying to walk away, trying to get away, laughing at it, taking pleasure in the suffering of it: and continuing to viciously beat it in such a way for Eid celebrations?.... I don't see it being that different regardless of which country it took place in.

Whether there was some other reason and nothing to do with Eid - that I could accept as being plausible.

Pyramid* 16-12-2011 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 4820859)
Theres a big clue as to the Afghani culture in the delight shown by the young lad in the vid it may even have been his own pet sheep.
Doubt it very much.

Wildcat! 16-12-2011 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 4820859)
Theres a big clue as to the Afghani culture in the delight shown by the young lad in the vid it may even have been his own pet sheep.
The delight its a kid!!! And kids equate the slaughtering of sheep to Eid. When I was a kid, we would cheer as well. But like I said real,muslim would never do that or eat such animal.
And especially on Eid day, anyone who is doing it for religious reasons like the poster suggests, will do it accordingly. Otherwise whats the point?
My objection was to that! Not weather he is afghan or not! If youve seen some barbaric slaughter of a sheep, its very possible, but it had nothing to do with Eid, or ISLAM

Callum 16-12-2011 02:51 AM
I watched this about an hour ago but couldn't post here because the thread was locked. Those men are utter scum, they deserve to rot in hell. I'm fed up of this whole attitude that we should respect all troops for their work and that they are all heroes, I'm not denying that a good majority of the troops are good people who are fighting on behalf of their country but when I see things like this it just angers me. I would never respect people like that, no matter what job they do.

Wildcat! 16-12-2011 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 4820859)
Theres a big clue as to the Afghani culture in the delight shown by the young lad in the vid it may even have been his own pet sheep.
Yeah, because a poor Afghan kid having a pet sheep makes a lot of sense!

Shasown 16-12-2011 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Snowball (Post 4820862)
Doubt it very much.
You think the Afghan people share our Western sensibilities?

Be serious, the Taliban werent as unpopular as the western media and governments made them out to be

Have a look at this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-new-face.html

It happened under a "muslim" regime even though that sort of disfigurement is outlawed by Islamic law

Wildcat! 16-12-2011 02:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 4820869)
You think the Afghan people share our Western sensibilities?

Be serious, the Taliban werent as unpopular as the western media and governments made them out to be

Have a look at this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-new-face.html

It happened under a "muslim" regime even though that sort of disfigurment is outlawed by Islamic law
So now that your point is totally ridiculous, you come in here post something completely off subject to further your agenda.
Do you have nothing else to talk about? Then Go open a thread about this mutilation.
I am sure you can gather muslim bashers to help ou with it.
This thread as zero to do with Taliban, islam or muslims. Its about american soldiers cheering and barbarically killing a sheep. Period.

Pyramid* 16-12-2011 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 4820869)
You think the Afghan people share our Western sensibilities?

Be serious, the Taliban werent as unpopular as the western media and governments made them out to be

Have a look at this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-new-face.html

It happened under a "muslim" regime even though that sort of disfigurment is outlawed by Islamic law
I'm not relating Western sensibilites to anything - I'm saying that there is no way that that anyone sacrificing a sheep for Eid or Islam would do so in the manner in which this guy did. I am relating what I have seen with my own eyes, happen in a Muslim country and in the manner in which is customary to conduct such a sacrifice: and this is not it.


That link has not a thing to do with this story.

Shasown 16-12-2011 03:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Wildcat! (Post 4820868)
Yeah, because a poor Afghan kid having a pet sheep makes a lot of sense!
Makes more sense than a poor Afghani kid having a hamster or a guinea pig doesnt it.

In reality the Afghan kid probably looked after the sheep, so in a way it would be akin to his pet, wouldnt it?

Wildcat! 16-12-2011 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 4820880)
Makes more sense than a poor Afghani kid having a hamster or a guinea pig doesnt it.

In reality the Afghan kid probably looked after the sheep, so in a way it would be akin to his pet, wouldnt it?
ReAlly, and you nkow this how?
Ermmm newsflash, poor people tend to eat their sheep, and if anyone was looking after it, it would be in a hurd, not as an individual pet. Your points are very stupid!

Shasown 16-12-2011 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Wildcat! (Post 4820883)
ReAlly, and you nkow this how?
Ermmm newsflash, poor people tend to eat their sheep, and if anyone was looking after it, it would be in a hurd, not as an individual pet. Your points are very stupid!
I have worked in Afghanistan.

Yes they would keep their animals as a herd but generally its the younger members of the family who get to look after them, in some areas even having to share the same sleeping area with them.

Wildcat! 16-12-2011 03:13 AM
SHASHOWS TAKE on the clip:

"In reality the Afghan kid probably looked after the sheep
it may even have been his own pet sheep.
The soldier with the bat was either an American given the honour or was in fact an Afghan who had the honour to sacrifice the sheep in a religious festival to honour Eid al-Adha.#
As for those around cheering etc, again they have been told to respect even join in local celebrations, in fact in the Afghani eyes not to partake or to show disdain would also show disrespect."


Perfect take on it!!!

Wildcat! 16-12-2011 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 4820884)
I have worked in Afghanistan.

Yes they would keep their animals as a herd but generally its the younger members of the family who get to look after them, in some areas even having to share the same sleeping area with them.
But you said its probably his pet!
Yeah!!! I am from a 3rd world country, you cant educate me on who or how sheep are kEPT!!! AND no, they are never pets, they are food!
Again your points are stupid, now plain idiotic!

Kerry 16-12-2011 03:28 AM
Right, pack it in.

Shasown 16-12-2011 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Wildcat! (Post 4820886)
But you said its probably his pet!
Yeah!!! I am from a 3rd world country, you cant educate me on who or how sheep are kEPT!!! AND no, they are never pets, they are food!
Again your points are stupid, now plain idiotic!
I didnt say it was probably his pet I said

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 4820859)
Theres a big clue as to the Afghani culture in the delight shown by the young lad in the vid it may even have been his own pet sheep.
and

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 4820880)
Makes more sense than a poor Afghani kid having a hamster or a guinea pig doesnt it.

In reality the Afghan kid probably looked after the sheep, so in a way it would be akin to his pet, wouldnt it?

Wildcat! 16-12-2011 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Miss Elf (Post 4820892)
Right, pack it in.
My apologies! :blush2:

Pyramid* 16-12-2011 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Wildcat! (Post 4820878)
So now that your point is totally ridiculous, you come in here post something completely off subject to further your agenda.
Do you have nothing else to talk about? Then Go open a thread about this mutilation.
I am sure you can gather muslim bashers to help ou with it.
This thread as zero to do with Taliban, islam or muslims. Its about american soldiers cheering and barbarically killing a sheep. Period.
I do get the feeling that the guy doing it clubbing it would have been one of the soldiers - obviously I don't know for sure - but I do think there is more chance of him being one of the soldiers and not an Afghan.

Livia 16-12-2011 10:03 AM
This has nothing to do with religion or sacrifice or hallal or any other thing connected to Muslims or any other religion. It has to do with sick, cruel people getting their kicks by torturing a terrified, defenceless animal to dealth. Unfortunately for the world, no one country has the monopoly on these dispicable people. Atrocious cruelty to animals goes on every day in this country, ask any RSPCA Officer, and to suggest this kind of thing is part of anyone's culture is ridiculous and insulting.

lostalex 16-12-2011 10:15 AM
Since when is it illegal to kill a sheep? This would not even be illegal in England. If you have a sheep, and you want to kill it and eat it, you have every right to bash it in the head and kill it.

How many of you are vegetarians? Bashing an animal in the head with a baseball bat is not cruelty. That's probably the most humane way of killing it with limited resources.

lostalex 16-12-2011 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Snowball (Post 4820965)
I do get the feeling that the guy doing it clubbing it would have been one of the soldiers - obviously I don't know for sure - but I do think there is more chance of him being one of the soldiers and not an Afghan.
and why is that more likely? please give one reason that you think that.

arista 16-12-2011 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Snowball (Post 4820624)



Its a Yank
typical.

Livia 16-12-2011 10:23 AM
Ahhh... dedicated non-thinking contrarian hour has arrived. And I don't mean you, Arista.

lostalex 16-12-2011 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 4821012)
Ahhh... dedicated non-thinking contrarian hour has arrived. And I don't mean you, Arista.
oic, i'm non-thinking (that's a personal attack by the way and against the rules) but you can't even formulate an actual intellectual response to my post.

Tell me, would it be illegal in the UK to kill your own sheep by bashing it in the head? Ofcourse it's not illegal. Please prove me wrong.

If you were going to kill a sheep to eat, how would you kill it Livia?? What is more humane than bashing it in the head? The electric chair? A gas chamber? stab it??

lostalex 16-12-2011 10:31 AM
i also think it's hilarious that this thread has more pages than the thread about a BRITISH woman MICROWAVING a CAT. So whoever said "not surprising, american soldiers are horrible" yet your own people in YOUr OWn COUNTRY, put cats in microwaves... and she wasn't killing it to eat, unlike the sheep video.

hypocrisy is in no short supply here at TiBB


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