Amanda might have won twice, if she could actually put together a decent final tribal speech.

Yeah :laugh: China was awful though, such a bad season IMO. And probably the worst winner

I liked Todd, I can not stand Courtney though. Probably my least favourite player after Sandra and Rupert.

Yes, the greatest player ever who managed to only beat CLAY of all people by one vote :joker:

oh god, Courtney.

So annoying.. her and Sugar are in the same boat. The boat I'd like to sink.

What did Russell do that was deserving to win, willingly take Natalie, someone who he acknowledged as a social threat, to the merge? :joker: Please, Russell is his own downfall.

every winner other than Tom had flaws and pros..

Well considering that a good amount of these "real players" don't realize that your social interactions will come back and haunt you at the end of it all, they don't deserve to win. If you don't understand one of the fundamental, inherent rules of Survivor, you've already lost.

:joker: Parvati sealed her own fate in HvV too. As much as people say it was AMAZING for her to give the two HIIs to Jerri and Sandra, it had REALLY bad long term effects for her.

Look I'm a HUGE Ozzy fan. My favourite player ever and its not even close, but there is no way in hell that Ozzy is a better player that Cirie.

Cirie is top 4 hands down.

Todd was a good player.

He lacked the social aspect of Survivor. Thats why he lost.

He was down in numbers 4-8 and carried his alliance to the final 5.

Not really. Not her fault that people can't take getting beat.

:laugh: we'll all agree to disagree then!

To hell with that! http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/p...Fun_tease2.gif

:laugh: alright, then you must agree with me or I will ban you!

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I don't understand how people STILL don't think Natalie should've won. Her game was pretty flawless IMO.

agree on this however :p

China's my favourite season I hate you now.

oh jesus Marc you're killing me now. s0b

Um let's look at Russell's own words when he voted Liz off...

"Liz is so stupid, I don't even see how she can walk without fallin' down. It's just ridiculous. If we merge, we need somebody on the inside, and Natalie's doin' a good job talkin' to Laura around the camp."

So basically, Russell keeps the biggest social threat in the game and you're saying he deserved to win? Galu HATED Russell and it was clearly obvious. Russell did nothing to change it, he didn't think that was important. Even when Monica told him that he needs to put people on the Jury who will vote for him, he said he doesn't think so. He'll get to the end 100 times and never win. Anyone would LOVE to go to the end with him because he'd never win, he's the perfect goat. It's a lost cause to try to defend how he deserves to win.

Um it IS her fault. Clearly Russell's volatile, abrasive, and needs to feel like he's in control. Parvati might've thought it was fun to show Russell who was boss, but all it really did was jump start a giant game of screw your buddy. They spent the rest of the season trying to outdo each other and it led to both of their downfalls. Natalie knew that all she had to do was be social and get people to like her and she would win. I mean come on, it's Russell, it's not hard to beat him in a Final TC. However, Parvati wanted to take matters into her own hands and Russell wanted to get his revenge by getting Danielle out. Danielle's boot cost both of them the game, the only way one of Russell/Danielle/Parvati would win is if they were the F3. Any Hero or Sandra in there, they automatically win.

He got rid of Liz because she was starting to lose trust in Russell.

Why Natalie didn't deserve to win? Because she RODE Russell's back.

Let me ask you this. Lets say if Russell wasn't there, you honestly believe that Natalie would have made it to the finals when her tribe was down in numbers? The only reason she made it to the finals was because she was Russell's main ally.

Russell has shown that he can get to the finals once the players don't know his game. He made it to the finals in back to back seasons. That's ********* impressive.

Coming back from being down 4-8 is ********* impressive.

Parvati was more loyal to Danielle than she was to Russell. That's why he got rid of Danielle. It was the right move. It did get him to the final after all.

At least admit that Russell is a great manipulator and strategist. At least admit that.

RUSSELL HAD A BETTER CHANCE WITH NATALIE THAN PRETTY MUCH ANYONE ELSE.
If he brought jayson i think he would of won, and if he brought someone from the other tribe to f3 it would be 100% them winning, not a single chance

RUSSELL HAD A BETTER CHANCE WITH NATALIE THAN PRETTY MUCH ANYONE ELSE.
If he brought jayson i think he would of won, and if he brought someone from the other tribe to f3 it would be 100% them winning, not a single chance

He said it himself that he kept Natalie around so she could get in good with the other tribe. He acknowledged that she's a Jury threat and decided to keep her anyway. How can you say THAT makes him deserving of the win? Natalie saw the easiest and most straightforward way to win the game: hide behind Russell, the most unlikable person in the game. My god, the end of Samoa was obvious before the merge just with Russell choosing Natalie over Liz, that was the end all of all end alls. Just as Courtney and Sandra was a season later, Russell didn't learn from his mistake. Russell's game was self destructive. There's nothing impressive about making 40 alliances and backstabbing all of them. If you do that and think you even stand a chance at the Jury, you're a fool. There's no possible argument to say Russell played a good game when he shows many times that he lacks understand of the game's basics.

It wasn't right at all, it was impulsive and a huge error, possibly his biggest ever. I can't stand when people call the Jurors bitter and butthurt because what does that make Russell? He's bitter he's out of Danielle/Parvati! I can't believe you think that was the right move, seriously it's foolish to think so. Instead of sticking in a powerful trio until the final three, he's going to break them apart. For no damn reason. There's no good, strategic reason Russell had behind this. He was just bitter. These are the only two people who even talk to him at this point, he NEEDS them (because he put himself in such a ****ty position but hey, that's a whole nother story.) If Parvati/Danielle are so close, does he really think he can turn them against each other? :joker: That's a ****ing joke, I'll tell you that. How can you even say this got Russell to the end and that he's a good strategist.

HE ASSEMBLED THE MOST BITTER, ANGRIEST, SPITEFUL JURY AGAINST HIM FOR CRYING OUT LOUD

Coach - promised him F3, blindsided
Courtney - clearly hates Russell
JT - blindsided him after accepting a Hidden Immunity Idol
Amanda - blindsided randomly
Candice - promised her F3, blindsided almost immediately after
Danielle - the angriest, and most rightful of them all, I don't even need to explain
Rupert - called him a dumbass to his face and said that he doesn't give a **** about him, then promised him F3 and voted him off
Colby - promised F3 and voted off

Russell put THESE people on the Jury?! You've got to be ****ing kidding if you're saying he's a great strategist and he deserved to win. For ****'s sake, Russell was awful. How on Earth was it smart to get rid of Danielle? Russell got rid of a trusted ally and opened the game up for someone else to win. The only possible way himself, Parvati, or Danielle stood a chance of winning is if they were all against each other. Russell opened that door for a Hero/Sandra to get in there and win. That's exactly what happened. Voting out Danielle was seriously the dumbest move he's made, if not one of the dumbest ever made. It's a lost cause to try and defend it.
Jerri - explicitly said that she wasn't in the trio, promised her F3 later