agreed. But matthew here things such behaviour makes a person interesting? same with shiv and ash who chose to mock and laugh at adams body and moobs as he tried to exercise...matthew found that also totally acceptable.. I find it unacceptable unpleasant nasty and boring. I agree with you 100%

You judge people based on their opinions of characters on a reality TV show? :laugh2:

I've noticed a few times already where I will reply to a comment on here, and give my opinion on a particular situation in question, and you'll make comments attacking my character. It seems rather petty.

In addition to magic, you also seem to have quite a vague memory and ability to take things out of context. I said numerous times that I found that situation with Shiv/Ash/Adam to be rude and nasty. You called it bullying, which I disagreed with and chalked it up to girls being girls. If you're going to cite my opinions on specific issues, at least make sure you get them right. I believe that was another example of a thread where I made a comment about a BB situation, and you were quick to attack my character as a result.

you actively support bullying and discrimination , that seems nasty and dangerous so I choose to illustrate the type of bigotry you support in order that people here and readers can see how some people like yourself actively support bullying and discrimination. It is not a petty issue, its a profoundly deep and important one. Sadly you cannot see how important this issue is. you just find it harmless entertainment.Tell me matthew, as you support the fact ash and shiv mocked another persons body whilst they exercised, have you ever pointed at and laughed at and mocked another persons body or weight or disabilities in your own life?

Oh Snap! Theres a fight brewing up in here!

I agree with you Rinky, even if once in a while you think those things, it isnt humane to say them out loud and hurt people. Mathew and I have already discussed his like of Caroline, unfortunate. You can be posh and not be evil, most of the posh people I know are actually quite nice and educated.

IMO Caroline is the house bitch, really awful person

Agreed, but i think Ash is worse. She's the ringleader! :suspect:

Do you ? never noticed ,will keep a close eye on here :pipe::evilgrin:

I think Caroline is trying to please the Cool Gang. How pathetic! :bored:

Vanessa Arron is repulsive....cannot stand lookin at him, aggressive, arrogant, horrible lad

You're entitled to your opinion. I feel the same about Deana! :)

I'm not sure why I'm bothering, but I'll entertain this for now...

I suggest you look at the definitions of bullying and discrimination.

Bullying: a form of aggressive behavior manifested by the use of force or coercion to affect others, particularly when the behavior is habitual and involves an imbalance of power. It can include verbal harassment, physical assault or coercion.

Discrimination: unfair treatment of a person, racial group, minority, etc; action based on prejudice.

So, now let's look at the situation in question, pertaining to bullying. Did Shiv/Ash show any aggressive behavior towards Adam? Did they physically assault him? No. Did they verbally assault him? He was outside and they were inside, so he wasn't able to hear anything, so that's a no. Did they use coercion? I don't recall Shiv/Ash forcing another party in the house to behave in an involuntary manner through the use of threats or intimidation, which is what coercion is. So again, no.

Not let's look at discrimination. Do shiv/ash have a prejudice against anyone who isn't 'in shape'? Because for it to be discrimination, that would have to be the case. They both seem to get on quite well with Becky, Caroline, and Scott. All of whom wouldn't be classified as physically 'fit'. You can't even determine prejudice based on a single event, it has to be a common and reoccurring bias, which we haven't seen. So once again, that's a no.

Were the comments rude? Sure. Were they discriminatory or of a bullying nature? By definition, they aren't. I'm not just making these definitions up, if you don't agree, take it up with Websters. Don't call me a supporter of bullying/discrimination and a bigot simply because you don't understand the terminology. ;)

LOL Nessa! How dare you insult queen Deana like that :devil: .. she isnt any of those things and although you like Arron, you have to admit the lad neds quite a bit of improvment in the morals and respect category, specially his behavior towards women.

Matt, you have some valid points but Caroline does bully people, im not sure about discrimination but she defo does bully... constantly speaking negatively about others in such a way that changes the group dynamic towards that person is considered bullying.

Im cool with anyone here liking who they like, Im not interested in changing who people support, I only want people to be more objective and no so blinded. For example, I like Deana and Lauren but I am able to admit they are not perfect and are weak in some aspects.

It just seems to me that people here blindly defend their favorites to the death, even when it is obvious that some of their behaviours is not appropriate and quite dangerous at times.

Let's agree to disagree here. You like Deana, i like Arron. :pipe:

True dat Nessa! :hugesmile:

id say its arron conor and luke s as the main source of the evilness. ash is entwined through her fake romance , caroline just thrives on it so she fits in, and she stirs everything up cause shes a sad little spitful bitch. the more they do the more she thinks she can get away with. makes her feel important. she is nobody without the backup
becky the part whale part sheep joins along in it so she's liked by the group she doesn't care about anybody so stiring and following the tossers comes easy for her.

I whole heartily agree :). I don't like a few people in the house, but I'd never judge another member or throw personal insults their way just because they do. It's all personal choice. Just a shame it doesn't go both ways on here with certain people.

I wasn't commenting on a situation with Caroline. I was commenting on the discussion between Ash & Shiv, regarding them having a laugh at Adam while he was jogging.

Saying negative things about someone, disliking someone, or having a laugh at someone elses expense, does not automatically equate to bullying or discrimination. Bullying and discrimination are very specific occurrences. By definition, the actions in question have to include specific circumstances and variables. If they don't, then it's not. That's not to say Ash & Shiv weren't being mean/rude/catty, it just isn't bullying or discrimination.

Tell me about it! Some people have no manners! Why can't everyone be polite to each other? There's no need for personal insults. :bored:

Caroline is the destroyer of souls

No We Do Not want a American House

What the hell are you talking about? American Big Brother is far from nice, if you think the BB13 lot are nasty, you ain't seen nothing until you've watched Big Brother US. They're a whole new level of nasty.

i am

I notice matthew you avoid my specific question as to whether you have particcipated in this type of discrimination yourself in real life? have you ever pointed at or mocked another persons physical imperfections, abnormalities etc? why are you avoiding this question?

matthew yet again hides behind the various interpretations he makes of bullying. ultimately this chap condones this discrimination , bullying and bigotry. this is exactly what pointing at people and laughing and mocking their physical imperfections to try and make them feel bad and make yourselves feel good. its bullying its bigotry and its discrimination. It saddens me that ash and shiv cant see this and that matthew here cant see this. maybe one day when he matures he will understand the enormous damage this type of bullying discrimination and bigotry can do. often it leads to suicide. shame on you matthew, I pray one day you will change your ways and not condone this dreadful behaviour, until that day of enlightenment you are a supporter of bigotry and therefore imho a bigot yourself

us big brother is dreadful because all it is is petty bitching throughout , there are friendships or chemistry formed at all