I see the polls are saying 67% of viewers think Romney won

Omg! He's another Bush. People never learn, do they? :bored:

obama did muhammad ali's rope-a- dope (ali played the sleeping elephant to george foreman, he hang on the ropes for 8 rounds they countered when george was exposed and tired) so romney did perform slightly better overall and won the first round, but is it a hollow victory?...I think the main reasons is as follows

1) hes been electioneering for the last 6 months, obama hasnt, so romney was more match sharp
2) romney is very good at his talking points and he went through them all.
3) Obama doesnt like confrontation. however Id suggest in his pracice for the next one, he needs his staff to grill him thoroughly and get him match fit
4) romney game out aggressive and guns blazing as thechallenger long way behind and with nothing to lose. obama was defensive, playing a safe game and didnt take risks.
5) romney got aggressive stared down obama and said I dont know what youre talking about (re jobs overseas) he also claimed obama put 90 billion in green energy (way inaccurate) and also accused him of letting his own backers invest in these failing green companies. these were blows to win romney to win the debate, but long term, it made romney look ruthless, aggressive, arrogant and a bit unpresidential.
6) obama is biding his time. he did the same with john mccain, he picked him off slowly but surely
7) I was disappointed obama didnt counter more of mitts points about how much tax americans are paying and why. the figure of 42% was bandied about.
8) healthcare, id give it to obama though. obamacare is almost a replica of romney care. romney tried desperately to paint the differences but it failed. romney wants to totally dismantle obamacare, not tweak it. romney doesnt say anywhere what he would replace it with? so there goes 40 million voters to obama. This shows romney says too many radical things to play to his right wing audience. it gets him a cheer in texas, but the cheer fades in other states.

9) beneath the headline grabbing nonsense about obama being stared down. obama was playing counter attack. he wanted to give romney enough rope to hand himself.for romney to make big bold claims such as his 12 million new jobs claim? 12 million really? is that new or net , mittt?

10) obama made great points about tax breaks and incentives for small to medium businesses. that doesnt get the major headlines, but I found that exciting as he reshapes the economy. he also correctly claimed the oil production is up too. to be honest I am not a socialist so I dont like to see too much government interference and government jobs. however regulation of these enormous industries must be tight and must be open and ethical.

11) romney mocked obamas 4/5 trillion debts. obama explained clearly where that came from. obama made it clear as he has already stated, where the next 4 trillion will be saved. 2 trillion less military spending than romney wants (romney again failed to explain why he wants an extra 2 trillion military spending?) obama rightly said hes gone after corporate corruption imposing massive fines and he has and he has in law that every cent leant to the banks will be repaid with interest , on time, or theyll face fines. this has also been the case. he should have mentioned the dow jones is the highest since 2003
12) romney scored with some headline grabbing claims and with his aggressive posturing. personally I think all that aggression and staring down the opponent is pathetic and is better off in the bar room than a debate. obama was merely making notes. that seems to matter to simple minded people who want to see aggression.

He strikes me as a dangerous man. yes a good speaker when hes on message , but prone to radical statements. hes frighteningly slick and appears quite ruthless. I dont think he has to worry about the 47% working class as he wouldnt relate to most of them imho....romney won this battle, but he will probably lose the war

Not if you made so many
Americans UnEmployed
and got America in a mess.
He's had 4 years
he can talk but does the Wrong Things

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Ron Paul tbh :worship:

ron paul is a homophobic gun nut.

america was already in a phenomenal mess. he arrived to 11 trillion debts, with another 2 more trillion need to bail the banks, a trillion to save the autom motor industries and a trillion to save healthcare, thats before you even consider 2 unwinnable , partly illegal wars? also th efact america (and the UK) had become the most hated on the planet, thta is also a factor which cannot be ignored as you try to build relations worldwide in trade, peace deals, war, etc

the uemployment rate looks to be down to 7.9/8.1% as will be shown friday
but the fundamentals are better as obama has made massively brave responsible moral decisions and investments, in roads, industries, in regulating banks and real estate, plus exiting iraq and slowly exiting afghanistan, retail sales are way up year on year over the last 3 years, plus saving the motor car industries, increasing exportsand raising the level of the down jones to a 9 year high. also the fact is 40 to 50 million more poor americans now have a basic level of healthcare , this goes for pre-existing conditions too. that is beyond enormous. he has stated clearly where 4 trillion savings are expected to come. he is reducing military spending by 2 trillion less than romney, hes scrapped the most unproductive government projects such as buying out dated weapons and helicopters....hes shed a lot of over burocratised inefficient government jobs....hes also given up the europe wide defense system too....stem cell reaserch has had more money and hes invested in new energies....brave, clean optimistic choice that will benefit america in the long term

do you care about anything other than gay rights? grow up. theres far greater struggles in this crazy world

hes not

Ron Paul is great about some thing but some of his opinions are bat**** crazy

I was quite disappointed the audience had to be silent for the debate last night actually, I liked all the whooping and cheering they had for the Republican debates

no its always total silence for presidential debates and thank goodness for that, theres enough hysterical screaming and nonsense at the conventions to last a lifetime

umm, yes, the fact that millions of people still don't have their basic civil rights IS VERY important to me. It might not be a big deal to you cause your not gay, but when someone tries to take you're rights away i'd like to see what YOU have to say.

How DARE you tell me that me being EQUAL is just a TRIVIAL issue.

my favourite parts of those debates is good old Ron winning them in the text and online polls an Fox News passing if off like they must have been hacked or something

You made a thread supporting a woman who spoke at a rally supporting a nation that bombed the **** out of civilians killing children amongst many adults. I therefore can no longer take you seriously tbh.

wtf are you talking about? wait, am i actually engaging in a conversation with a KIM KARDASHIAN FAN?? :rolleyes:

yet you ignore the other people discriminated against, the vast array of other major topics, the abuses in care homes, in hospitals, the disabled, the elderly, the political , police, media corruption, the DNR' used on defenceless disabled people without even consulting the person or the next of kin, you dont say anything about illegal wars, such as iraq, the fact the uk owes $.8.9 trillion in debt and america owes $16 trillion, the rise in extremism, terrorism, the discrimination against men and husbands and fathers, the rise in male suicides (in hetrosexual men) you show no interest in these areas, you show no balance and clearly therefore you do not want equality at all, you just to harp on some bitter narrow agenda about gay rights, when gay people already have all the rights they need. time you started caring about other people , just your own narrow self interest and selfish agendas. its pathetic.

sorry, umm, how am i ignoring all of those other things? wtf are you talking about? i've never ignored any of those other issues. Now you're just a liar.

dont waste time with this lost alex, the name clearly implies what is lost. he supports such disgusting people, he thinks 300 million guns across america killing thousands of innocents is fine (and tens of thousands of injured) he laughs when straight men get hurt , he wants iran bombed , hes a radical hate filled bigot

you use all your negative energy to post your biased gay agenda yetyou spend a minute amount of time protecting all these other victims worldwide. totally biased and selfish agenda. heck you dont even show joy when all gay people have all the same martial legal rights as hetrosexual couples. do you want peace and happiness>? or do you simply want to pursue youre agendas of hatred against hetrosexual men? ps did you go on the other thread about the wife who shot her husband? do you condone her behaviour or condemn it?

but at least i make sense...i'm actually able to discuss topics in a rational way. You on the other hand just keep repeating the same BS you read off the internet. Unlike you I can actually think for myself and form my own opinions.

You're not actually here to discuss other forum members. Read the rules.

Give it a rest the truth

I appreciate you defending me Livia, but don't worry, let them spout the same conspiracy theories they always do. It doesn't bother me. I'm just a part of the illuminati evil gay agenda sheep. LOL



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I am the illuminati and we will destroy you!!! ooooh oogie boogie!!! :rolleyes: