This post is in my view accurate, also definitely something has to change and more to the point this Govt needs to be made to change its policy, it has and is going too far, too quickly, unjustly and in a totally heartless fashion too.

If its policy was working and the deficit was already near cut by half,also that the number of vacancies for jobs was up in the private sector to a great deal more than the around 500,000 it has been at for the last 2 years then the Govt could claim some success.

As it is, the vacancies are not coming forward in any major way from the private sector, unemployment although falling is still in this day and age at over 2.5 million and while the deficit was cut by only 25% in 2 and a half years,(nowhere near the target it needed to be), is now on the rise again due to the Govt having to do new and substantial borrowing because we have no growth to fund what is needed,since their polices have taken the UK back into recession and for the foreseeable future will leave us with very small growth once out of it again.

No wonder the Country is moaning.The Coalition Govt has simply failed, and its policies are not right or conducive to stimulate the growth and confidence the economy needs now and fast too.

i would just like to point out to everyone that has just knocked me and my understanding. i am not saying the people on benefits pay the highest tax - as of course they do not - what i am saying is - if you are in a low paid job most of the wages is eated up byt tax - and if you are in a job just a tiny bit over the tax limit - and you miss out on claiming benefits - then life is one struggle.

i don't no how anyone can defend anyone on a salary of over £50 k a year can dare say the people on benefits have life to easy and have everything paid for them - its just because they are in a job that is so finacially rewarding that they have never had worrys of the average person struggling.

i really feel i wont get through to anyone so i accept we all see things different.

totally 100% agree and understand where you are going with this ...


I can say with hand on heart, that it matters not a jot....... the standard of intelligence to run an country as far as ANY UK contenders is concerned : is a joke. this has been proven over the last recent years: young shoulders simply have not enough understanding..... they may have the academic intelligence, but they lack the real life (that crap phrase but so true'' uni of life'') experience. These recent leaders are too young.....


Cameron is a joke, as is Milliband. As was Major, as was Brown. Too young, so full of the " I can sort this out""... too much of a 'know it all'.

Not one of them have any iota how to run a country.

Nor do I.... therefore I appreciate the exceptional difficulties any leader faces............................... we only see the part of the picture that directly affects US personally.

what I DO object to is those who chose to vote these people - and now find fault, moan and decry their policies infacto.............................. learn to live and understand when BS is spoken and knowing that all that is promised is absolulutely impossible.


Thing that pisses me off is: it matters not a jot who is in government: they cannot please all of the people all of the time: but by christ: if you (not you personally Kiz, I mean UK voters overall), are going to vote for a particular party: then at least stand by yoru vote, stand by your belief rather than be a turn coat and turn tail at the first sign of trouble and discontent.

Young guns are never going to bring anything good to this country regardless of which party they stand for: they simply don t' have the very basic requirement of having lived through decades and decades upon which to compare.

the oppertunities are out there for anybody to be in a 50k a year job, it's about ambition,determination and getting off your backside and doing it.
some people have that inside them and some people dont, you sound like your on the side of them that dont.

Dunnoe about you but far as I'm aware, those on any salary on the £50K bracket is taxed at not a kick on the arse for almost 50% of that salary.

Ie; doctors, surgeons etc.

I actually owe much to a surgeon who was most likely on double your £50K figure....................................... who disputed what was a cancerous lump in my throat, vs a non cancerous one.

I'm quite happy for guys like that to be earning high salaries: that man happened to prevent me from going through a shedload of treatment that was actually unnecessary as well as allowing me to leave hospital after a week rather than being subject to treatment at great expense which I would not have needed.

So hey: I welcome these £50k plus salary earners. Things are relative 'Hog...... one size does not fit all.

I get your point and agree with it too.

You agree that anyone who has such a job that they have immense pressure place upon them and earn £50K plus ... are somehow very priviledged? People who work 90+ hours a week are on call and are (for example) PERSONALLY responsible for saving lives, personally responsible for the decision they make every day of their working lives which surmounts to whether somone may live of die?


I look forward to seeing if you have the same view when you have 20 / 30 years of experience under your belt in a very select type of profession that requires the upmost skills and decades of exprience.

Otherswise, you're opinion Joey is folly.... given without any real thought. Perhaps you should experience what it feels like to have a loved one's live hanging in the balance of an 'overpaid' surgeon - before deciding how you feel about their salary? Just somethign for you to consider.

Joe, unorthodox as you are your message is always cosher ;)
Joey, You will one day make a great politician as you know a whole is only as strong as the sum of it's parts.
pyra, Thatcher will never govern again, get over it... :)

Never liked Thatcher that much kiz ...so nowt much to get over... :)

I'd also consider you comment to me as incrediby rude and uncecessary.... you know how you mentioned about stop making things personal..... maybe take a leaf out of your own book Kiz.

Sorry pyra, when you mentioned cam and co were too young I assumed you were hankering after the good old bad old days of the magster?

See that's what happens Kiz when you assume.....I also happened to mention Major and Brown....

However, your apology is accepted.

lets all encourage more people to go to work, be more honest, stop asting their lives taking drugs, smoking tobacco and downing copious amounts of booze, oh then waste whats left on tatooes and sun beds and fake tans. also breeding just to get more freebess off the state. if you cant afford to have children dont have them. if you cant afford to look after them or if you choose to waste your money on drugs booze cigarrettes and tatooes and neglect to feed and cloth your kids properly, i encourage the state to take your children from you. if you want to protest against all that nonsense then yes I will join you. I would also like to join any protests agsint the incompetence within the nhs thats in effect killing off tens of thousands of innocent patients. that is a fcking disgrace

Dont be tricked by the media that tries it best to make you believe that the vast majority of jobseekers are druggies,alchys,smokers,people with fake tans and tattoos (wow those last 3 are truly weird but thats your opinion so be it :/ ) They make up a tiny minority of jobseekers despite what you read in the rags that have a financial incentive to sensationalise and exaggerate their reports.

I know a few people out of work and struggling none of them really fit your description of people out of work ok maybe one of them is a bit orange but she is desperately looking for work and doing nothing wrong in her hunt.

As for your suggestion that only the well off should breed well maybe you should campaign for a eugenics based regime like hitler did.

The unemployed person hate is so strange people love to demonise them and lap up the media bollocks just because it gives them an avenue to hate those not as well off as themselves and gain a bit of self confidence.

There are far worse things to be annoyed about in relation to public funding. Do you not care that vodafone were facing a £60 million tax bill in the uk but after paying money to the conservative partys election campaign they were let off as soon as they were elected and asked to just pay £880 grand instead?

Strange logic.

A lot of good honest people are struggling because of the cuts that true to form from the torys are targeting the wrong people huge corporations are let off paying the huge amounts of tax they owed to the uk economy corporations that just happened to have donated cash to the election campaigns of said partys.

I can understand why someone that happens to be doing ok in the current circumstances decides to try and conserve their position under the conservatives its what they rely on.

With full respect,what ridiculous statements and as for my opinion being folly,I dispute that and throw it back at yourself.

Again you actually assume you know people but again you are wrong, I have no less than,for instance, working in the NHS 11 of my family now, one of my Uncles is a Consultant,another is a Doctor, the rest are nursing staff, my Father is also a Barrister.
Don't be so ready to tell people they speak with no thought,and more to the point with no knowledge of things either,
No one, not even Waterhog was saying people on 50k were privileged, he was saying that they, some of them and in some cases many of them would be possibly less likely to understand the problems of someone on only a small income,that what was the view I was supporting.

I can tell you, I am fortunate to come from a fairly priviliged background,thanks to my family, I will likely be earning really good salaries myself in a few years, depending what career I finally choose to go into, either Politics or Law.
I will not however, alter the thinking and feeling I have towrds people less successful than I may be or nowhere likely as well off as I may possibly come to be.

You make rather dramatic highlighting of people who do earn pretty good salaries year in and year out and for many of those people it is well earned but it clearly must help to make their lives a lot easier than somone on say £150 a week or less.
I see you do not however race to defend anyone who is being demonised by the press and even this Govts Ministers just because they have to rely on the State and they are the people being hit left,right and centre from the Govts cuts, from the benefit reforms, to the very intrusive ATOS testing, and now the Council tax and Housing benefit,)(bedroom tax), cuts too.

What I find really awful and patronising from this heartless Govt, is its demonisation of the weakest, it states it is on the side of those who strive and work hard, all well and good but by such terminology allowing those who can't work, to be demonised by some Ministers and the media.

I know far more than you ever give me credit for Pyramid and you are really insulting to people who disagree with you,or someone you think you can really wind up to get an argument with.

I also for instance have a friend who is paralysed and has mental issues too,that I also help care for. who was, after an ATOS assessment told he was able to do some work when the DWP got in touch with him after it.
We appealed and it was totally overturned,that happened simply because he was able to answer yes to the questions put and certain boxes were ticked.

He like hoards of others would love to work if it was possible but it is not and then you get these people who demonise people on benefits generally also without thinking.
So kindly don't tell me my opinions are folly.

I really do my utmost to avoid you Pyramid but you replied to my post and then said my opinion was folly, you are very clever at trying to belittle and put down others while in fact being allowed to say all you set out to.
I wish to tell you, you don't know me,so don't tell me I make posts and comments without thought,that I have little idea of certain things such as to people on salaries over 50k comment.
My posts are from knowledge I have gained not from my studies but from in the main the experiences of people I have gone out and talked to.
My opinion is far from folly and again as I said, 'I know far more than you think I do',I do so because I look at both sides of the coin after going out and learning for myself peoples struggles and successes and can relate to both.

"We appealed and it was totally overturned,"

Well Done Joey
Keep On Keepin' On

I love you Joey :hug:

Your posts kick ass !!

It is a good post but it would hold a lot more sway if the person being attacked had the right of reply its easy to attack someone that cant reply.

Actually,when I did the post,I was in a hurry as I had to be somewhere and didn't realise that the person I was addressing was banned. However I was responding to a critical response of myself,personally, by that person directly to me, so in that scenario,I feel I am totally justified in having my say as she had hers when I was not on online at that time too. Had I been on online when she responded directly to my post I would have made exactly the same response then too as I did in a hurry this morning.
In fact, I was the original one attacked and I was defending my own corner.

An excellent explanation in defence of your views joey. :)

Thats a bit unfair bob, joey may not have noticed, she wasn't banned untill silly oclock this morning.

actually I would say Joey was the person being attacked, and his post was a defence :)

I think we'd already heard all that we needed to hear.


Excellent post Joey, as always.

One good thing I've found is once you have a view challenged, you can then go away and examine if theres a chance you could have been indoctrinated into a certain mindset via the media selling you the latest folk devil, or the spin of a particular political ideology.
Mocking others attitudes is never the way to gain an understanding of how they percieve an issue.

I employ over 40 people, I get all my opinions from the real world , never from media. thank you. The sheer volume of dishonest, lazy , unambitious, workshy , selfish , vain idiots Ive had applying for jobs is mindboggling. the majority of them drink heavily, the majority let me down most of the time and the vast majority refuse to work weekends due to drink.. I have to go through about 20 workers, to get 1 decent honest worker. this is the UK I know Ive been in business 20 years.

That is a fair response.