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You don't have to be blind, but I'll definitely be more attractive if you are. |
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This is such a personal issue and one that is very hard to debate as I think by adult age you have formed a view on this and as it is never likely to be proved one way or another it's just a personal take on it. Personally I believe in reincarnation but if you don't then that's fine.
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Nice body-swerve on the issue though Jesus, you git. |
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My avoidance of the issue was only in order to be polite, really. You're right, faith is completely personal, and none of us know what anyone else on the planet experiences, but the definition of faith, is to believe something for which there is no evidence. For my geeky mind, that fits rather well. |
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Agreeing to differ. I like that. And it's kind of new for you.................... |
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"Death is nothing to me because I'll never experience it. When I'm dead, I won't know or care that I'm dead. I desire happiness and I fear pain, since neither exists in death, death is of neutral value and not something to be desired or feared." That sums it up quite nicely. |
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I was not brought up in a religious household, I'm not of a religion and the only times I've ever been inside any religious institution have been when I was at school and they took us to the church for in-service days. I couldn't even tell you which affiliation the church had, nor do I know very much about Christianity or other religions. What I do believe, however, stems from my reading of many different great classic works of literature. I remember being 12 years old in a biology lesson at school and being taught about how, if there are too many rabbits one spring, there will be an increase in the number of animals that prey upon rabbits and an increase in diseases that kill rabbits. Nature is constantly balancing itself out. For me, that theory extends to humans. There are WAY too many people in the world, so as a means to balance that imbalance, there has been a rise in the following: incurable (and new) diseases, homosexuality and infertility. I've got nothing to back this up other than my own personal belief in this idea, but to me, it makes sense. People didn't die of cancer hundreds of years ago, because they were dying in wars and of flu outbreaks and of plagues and other ailments. Once our society developed enough to be able to combat these things, did we suddenly stop dying of mystery illnesses? No, the illnesses just got harder to cure. HIV, AIDS, many types of cancer... all of these, to me, seem like modern illnesses. Perhaps people used to die of cancer all the time, they just didn't know it at the time, but certainly it's become more prevalent in modern times. Nature killing people off makes sense. There are too many people in the world. Homosexuality is one surefire way to stop people from reproducing, but with scientific advances allowing even that to happen now, I reckon some new way of stopping people from becoming parents will rise up - leading me to my point about infertility. The existence of IVF alone suggests that infertility was considered a significant problem, so I wouldn't be too shocked if figures for that are on the constant rise, but I've not looked into it so I don't know. So, to relate all this back to the question of the soul. I don't know if I believe in an all powerful God figure which judges everything we do and decides upon an eternity of happiness or horror for us - that seems to be a societal construct rather than an actual possibility. Why would that make any sense? How do you judge good behaviour and bad behaviour? There are so many shades of grey. Stealing medicine is a bad thing, but if it's to give it to your dying younger brother so that he will live, that is a good thing, right? Life is made up of these sorts of scenarios. It is impossible for someone to live a wholly good or a wholly bad life. I think a person's soul dictates what they are like, even from birth. My parents always tell me that when I was born, I opened my eyes almost immediately and was constantly looking around the hospital to see what was around me, and to this day I'm still a really inquisitive person, always learning new things and taking an interest in the world around me. You could argue that that is a learned behaviour, but my parents are adamant that I was like that from the day I was born, so was that just something I was destined to be? Part of life is trying to figure out what it's about, and I don't especially care if other people can completely refute my point of view, I'm quite pleased with my views on the soul/destiny/nature's law because they make sense and appeal to what I like to view the world as. This is an interesting thread Ammi, thanks for posting! |
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I agree we can't explain everything, but then that works 2 ways, and to leap from "I can't explain it, therefore it's something supernatural", is not something I'm capable of doing. But if you want to, then that's great for you, and if that helps (and **** knows we all need help), then I would never begrudge you that. I'd only ever try to get you to see another way. |
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What can I say? I'm a changed man. |
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..I don't believe that part of us ever dies..I don't know what happens to it though.... |
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.it could be anything..it could be virtually nothing..just something you personally find emotional..I could give examples but it wouldn't matter..people find different things emotional...the point is, it can't be explained...not everything can be explained...and I do see it you way..honestly, I do...but that's the thing..what you say makes total sense, so my sense tells me I should accept it..and yet I don't...unexplainable... ..I don't follow a religion either..and I don't believe in ghosts/supernatural spirits etc... |
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Makes perfect sense. |
..LOL..ok..end the thread...I'm glad we got that one straightened out...
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I feel as kazanne that we journey through life the goals are to feed our souls, to enrich them. That we have to achieve a certain level of knowledge not academic but spiritual.
In a way religion hinders that path as we are told what to do, and what is right and wrong. This stops us using our own instinct and intuition to guide us, thus affecting our free will. The one strange thing is if we are decended from beasts when did the conscience evolve? Animals are driven by base instinct, so when did we get to choose what we do against ours? |
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To start, we walked upright which freed up our hands We evolved opposable thumbs, which allowed us to manipulate our environment and create tools and weapons. The fact we were both hunting and cooking meat, increased the sizes of our brains massively. Conscience is more than likely a by product of basic empathy that the great apes all exhibit, but the brain is so complex, that we're only scratching the surface. |
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