Which is a baseless and unfounded opinion. You believe that.

Not baseless at all... And it as I said MY opinion & I will believe that...

It is baseless because I provided you with valid points as to why they are not arseholes and you chose to bypass them. If you cannot counter-argue against points posed to you, then I'm afraid any point you did have is rendered void.

It doesn't matter what points you made, I still believe them to be arseholes. That is MY opinion, which I am perfectly entitled have have...

You aren't xxx

Despite the fact I've presented you with perfectly valid reasons as to why they're not arseholes and that in fact it is all just an act? It's all very well and good wheeling out the cliched 'I AM ENTITLED TO MY OPINION GOD DAMMIT' but that's not really addressing any reasoned arguments people present to you.

Sure, have your 'opinion', but it is unjustified and made up entirely of assumptions. Baseless, in other words.

What, I'm not entitled to my own opinion? Ok then...

You can make all the reasons you wish, you are not going to change my mind. You say my opinion is unjustified & baseless, I disagree. I'm not sure why you are trying to change my mind on Speidi, you wont...

From what I have read about Speidi IN THE REAL WORLD as well as from what I have seen of them on Big Brother, I think they are arseholes, Spencer slightly more so than Heidi...

An opinion is just that.

Never said I'm going to change your mind, but you could at least attempt to argue against valid points presented to you.

They are actors. Characters. Personas. The Hills was scripted, they are known for being scripted villains. That does not make them arseholes because they are playing up a role that has made them famous. Why if it was making you money would you drop the act? The answer - you wouldn't.

They are clearly nice people and we saw glimpses of that in the house and now since they have been out. It is all an act.

I'm not denying that they played up to the cameras inside the house & they were clearly at times 'hamming it up' but that doesn't mean they are completely different in the real world. From things I have read Spencer in particular seems to be an arsehole. I don't know them personally, neither do you, so we can only make assumptions as to what they are really like...

Remember when Edward Norton played that Nazi in American History X? WHAT A DICK!!!

I agree, spencer must be an amazing actor, he is a crank in every single thing I have seen the guy in.....He should have a day off haha!

But he is a proper actor. People in 'The Hills' were real people just given set up situations & scripts... Much like TOWIE... I wonder then if Amy Childs is really a genius...

With the hardcore haters, like the Toadie fan it's literally damned if you and damned if you don't.

If you can so quickly claim him being nice is an act why not also him being a villain?

i think everybody has a bit of an a-hole in em.
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lol yea. especially during the season with the tasks. bitched when they didnt do one but still some bitched when they did. good laughs.

And with the Speidi lovers originally us 'haters' were told we didn't 'get' Speidi because they are entertaining, then when I said they were entertaining in that they make good TV, but that doesn't mean they are nice people I'm told I still don't 'get it' as they are apparently lovely people really :joker:

'The Hills' was scripted, but none of them were actors, they were real people. They were acting out certain situations, but not acting out completely different personalities... Spencer was on the show because he IS a total nutjob, loose cannon arsehole. He's had anger management therapy for example, that should really tell you what the guy is like in real life & a nice person does not jump to my mind when I think about him...