the facts prove it. men also die younger in every nation on earth (by around 4 years on average) and commit suicide at 3 to 4 times the rate. they also lose over 80% of divorce cases and custody battles. It is sexist, against men.

What facts? "Men work harder in their jobs than women" How is this proven exactly?

Oh do you not what, don't even bother answering, I actually don't want to have this conversation................

I have to say that in my houee, I do most of the xmas preparations (not because OH is lazy, he just works every hour g8d gave him) and working in retail, I do have to agree that the xmas shopping is largely a womens thing.

Me and my husband both do the Christmas shopping as we both work and neither of us love shopping

I bloody hate shopping too Niamh.. I'll never understand what the attraction is tbh.

me neither, I especially hate the crowds of people over Christmas

...yeah, me too..we quite often do shopping together and especially at Christmas...I do, do things that he doesn't particularly enjoy..he hates dressing the tree for instance..but he usually cooks quite a lot of the Christmas dinner, and cooks a lot in general...so it's all fairly even I would say....

Yeah, we're pretty much the same, although he probably does more of the house stuff than me as he's at home more because he's on call for work rather than being at work, if you know what I mean. That's how it is now, when the kids were younger he used to work on building sites and I worked part time so I did more around the house then. We just adapt as our situation changes

Nothing Wrong With That

how many female plumbers, electricians, handmen, roadsweepers, bricklayers, tarmackers, coal miners, railway bridge builders, do you know? thats right hardly any. no one is stopping women from working towards doing these jobs, they simply dont bother. ask yourself why are the majority of those in the boardrooms men? because they work their whole lives to get there. that means working harder and longer and better. They also die younger, yet women have the spending power and the choices. what choices do men have? none. they must work till theyre 65 or they will be cast aside.

yes we can create artificial opportunities for women but having women only shortlists, but there is no short cut to the top or even to become a specialist or to run a successful business.

poinsonous ads like this are an insult to all men.

how would women like it if we ran an ad where the men do all the work all year every year and earned all the money and the women were seen to just going out and wasting it?

show me the female brunel, michaelangelo, howard hughes, albert einstein, alexander graham bell, armytage shanks, show me the line of female plumbers and sparkies? when that day comes I will accept women work as hard, until that day, lets all just lie about it to keep the peace. got to go know Ive got to get back to work to pay for my family like all working men

its a shame this sexist ad didnt portray the differences in relationships such as yours then, instead of this nauseating cliche ridden male bashing drivel

I'm sorry, I'm not responding to someone as sexist as you. Thanks.

"female plumbers, electricians, handmen,"

Truth
there are loads of Lesbo Ones
they all work hard.



Note : There Is Nothing Wrong With Being a Lesbo.

Yeah, I have to say in Daves favour, although he works ridiculous hours, he's not shy when it comes to helping out. He does the Asda shop every Sunday and I know if I'm working and he's off, I'll come home to a clean house. :)

Well, that's what it's all about really Lee imo. It should never come down certain stuff being "a womans job" or "a mans job" it should be both people doing what's best for the family.

Taking the bins out is a mans job.. I refuse :)

:laugh:

We don't have a wheelie bin, the bin men won't drive down our hill so I have to bring our rubbish into work with me

Nothing Wrong With That.

..I think sexism works both ways though...if trades were promoted more to females and advertised with females doing them then I think it would make others want to also...it’s the same really as you being offended at the Asda advert, when you feel males are discriminated against...the trades you mention have been in the past ‘traditionally male’ ...and females should be encouraged more, otherwise sexist attitudes will always exist....

"being offended at the Asda advert, when you feel males are discriminated against"

No not by me , ammi

Hypocrite

encouraged more? why dont they get off their backsides and do it like men do?

there are zillions of male bashing adverts , shows etc no female bashing. is become 100% one sided and its plain wrong. its also very disappojnting that a lot of women like niahm here refuse to look at the male viewpoint at all. shes happy though to ring men in emergencies to fix her roof, her water pipes, her electrics, her sky dish, or for a fireman to carry her from a buring building, but shes quite happy to sit back and see all men portrayed as lazy sexist and uncaring on mainstream media? its disgusting

yes and often this is how it works, which proves this advert is a generalized biased sexist advert

..ok, I have no response to the first part of your post as it's obvious that nothing anyone can say will disuade you from your contempt of females....

..as for your comments on other members which you know absolutely nothing about, it only goes to show your complete lack of respect for anyone who doesn't share the same view ...and isn't going to encourage anyone to debate anything with you....

No thats her Choice
No need to get Nasty