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Iceman 30-05-2013 11:37 AM

The pictures we have now are so stupid, whenever i see them they have no effect on me, whether that's from desensitization in general or just once you've seen them once you dont pay attention, cant see this having any effect to be honest.

Sam:) 30-05-2013 12:15 PM

The only picture thats off-putting is the throat cancer one, the rest of them arent shocking at all. I mean look at this onehttp://www.businessandleadership.com...okingimage.jpg

Does this affect pouches of tobacco I wonder?

Niamh. 30-05-2013 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam:) (Post 6025121)
The only picture thats off-putting is the throat cancer one, the rest of them arent shocking at all. I mean look at this onehttp://www.businessandleadership.com...okingimage.jpg

Does this affect pouches of tobacco I wonder?

No worries, I'm not an apple http://i.imgur.com/DAW6dCh.gif

Marc 30-05-2013 12:17 PM

Will this even help people stop smoking?.... probably not!

Iceman 30-05-2013 12:29 PM

Can honestly say it wont stop me....i dont care what my cigarettes come in...

arista 30-05-2013 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman (Post 6025131)
Can honestly say it wont stop me....i dont care what my cigarettes come in...


It may not stop you
but it stops others.


That means good news

Smithy 30-05-2013 12:43 PM

it's gonna be so hard selling them cause i wont be able to tell them apart :bored:


(not that I live in ireland, but if it happens here soon then yah)

Iceman 30-05-2013 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 6025134)
It may not stop you
but it stops others.


That means good news

To be honest it really wont, when I was a kid I didnt care what the package was, I want the smokes inside not the cardboard it comes in...

Withano 30-05-2013 01:05 PM

I can't be bothered to debate about it, because I dont feel that strongly about it.. But I always thought they should just increase the legal age to buy cigarettes by a year every year. Problem solved, next generation aren't addicted.

arista 30-05-2013 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman (Post 6025149)
To be honest it really wont, when I was a kid I didnt care what the package was, I want the smokes inside not the cardboard it comes in...


But its worked Down Under


You are Wrong you Cocky Stinking Smoker

GypsyGoth 30-05-2013 01:22 PM

Some girls I knew started smoking pretty young, a good few years before it was legal for them to do so, so I feel there would still be loads getting addicted regardless of what age you're allowed to smoke.

And I guess the plain packaging might work on some, but I don't think kids get or desire smokes because of the packaging, I think they aspire to be like others they see smoke, from likes of celebs, to friends, to family members.

arista 30-05-2013 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth (Post 6025203)
Some girls I knew started smoking pretty young, a good few years before it was legal for them to do so, so I feel there would still be loads getting addicted regardless of what age you're allowed to smoke.

And I guess the plain packaging might work on some, but I don't think kids get or desire smokes because of the packaging, I think they aspire to be like others they see smoke, from likes of celebs, to friends, to family members.


Yes and for Them
its worth it.

GypsyGoth 30-05-2013 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 6025207)
Yes and for Them
its worth it.

Good point, even if it saves just one person, it's worth it.

Iceman 30-05-2013 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 6025198)
But its worked Down Under


You are Wrong you Cocky Stinking Smoker

Hows about stop insulting me, it's my opinion Arista no dont be telling me im wrong, great for Australia, big claps for them. Will make NO difference here, no go rest your hard drive, you ignorant whinging robot.

arista 30-05-2013 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman (Post 6025222)
Hows about stop insulting me, it's my opinion Arista no dont be telling me im wrong, great for Australia, big claps for them. Will make NO difference here, no go rest your hard drive, you ignorant whinging robot.


I hate buying 2nd hand CD's covered in Smoke Stinking smells

Iceman 30-05-2013 01:49 PM

You're living in the past, Itunes baby!

arista 30-05-2013 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Iceman (Post 6025236)
You're living in the past, Itunes baby!


I use them
but rare CD Remixes
are not online


I have every connection.


Even a DAT player

Redway 30-05-2013 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 6025134)
It may not stop you
but it stops others.


That means good news

It won't though. As has been said countless times, you'd have to be pretty thick to buy cigarettes because of what the packets look like. If scaring people into quitting through the use of vastly exaggerated pictures was an effective deterrent then it would've worked by now. They just need to concede that people aren't buying it and drop it already.

I smoke for a mixture of reasons but one of them certainly isn't because the packets look 'pretty', not that they're not already permeated with warnings across half the packet.

Marsh. 30-05-2013 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Withano (Post 6025176)
I can't be bothered to debate about it, because I dont feel that strongly about it.. But I always thought they should just increase the legal age to buy cigarettes by a year every year. Problem solved, next generation aren't addicted.

That would be a wonderfully effective and simple idea if people who were underage didn't do something that they're legally not allowed to do.

But we all know that'll never happen, for as long as there is age restrictions, people below that age restriction will find ways of doing it.

Marsh. 30-05-2013 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redway (Post 6025382)
It won't though. As has been said countless times, you'd have to be pretty thick to buy cigarettes because of what the packets look like. If scaring people into quitting through the use of vastly exaggerated pictures was an effective deterrent then it would've worked by now. They just need to concede that people aren't buying it and drop it already.

I smoke for a mixture of reasons but one of them certainly isn't because the packets look 'pretty', not that they're not already permeated with warnings across half the packet.

I don't think the point is about "pretty packaging" but more about cutting back on all forms of advertising them, to the point they're not on display in a lot of shops.

Whether we like to think so or not, advertising something has an effect.

MTVN 30-05-2013 04:01 PM

Tbh even if did have a minor impact (I can't see it making any more than that) I wouldn't support it, the whole thing is just quite patronising and a further way to demonise smokers. I know this comparison is often made but nobody would advocate such stringent measures as have been placed on smoking on such things as alcohol or fatty foods, despite the deaths and problems they cause every year, the tobacco industry has just been disproportionately targeted because it is more convenient to do so. There is also the issue that it will make it easier for smugglers to counterfeit cigarettes, and it will cost a lot of jobs and money.

People have been bombarbed with health scares, cancer stories, and ever increasing prices for years, as well as having the areas where you can legally smoke severely restricted, enforcing plain packaging is just another pointless addition to the anti-smoking legislation

Redway 30-05-2013 04:02 PM

I see what you're saying but I'm still sceptical re. how effective hiding them behind shutters will be (moving away from the plain packaging bit for a minute). People who are underage tend to do something they're not supposed to do so wouldn't that further encourage them to smoke? :shrug:

(For Marsh.)

Redway 30-05-2013 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 6025419)
Tbh even if did have a minor impact (I can't see it making any more than that) I wouldn't support it, the whole thing is just quite patronising and a further way to demonise smokers. I know this comparison is often made but nobody would advocate such stringent measures as have been placed on smoking on such things as alcohol or fatty foods, despite the deaths and problems they cause every year, the tobacco industry has just been disproportionately targeted because it is more convenient to do so. There is also the issue that it will make it easier for smugglers to counterfeit cigarettes, and it will cost a lot of jobs and money.

People have been bombarded with health scares, cancer stories, and ever increasing prices for years, as well as having the areas where you can legally smoke severely restricted, enforcing plain packaging is just another pointless addition to the anti-smoking legislation

Funnily enough I'm very much in favour of the smoking ban actually. It's fair enough if others want to smoke but it makes perfect sense that others would rather not be victims of second-hand smoke.

I agree with the rest of your post.

MTVN 30-05-2013 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redway (Post 6025430)
Funnily enough I'm very much in favour of the smoking ban actually. It's fair enough if others want to smoke but it makes perfect sense that others would rather not be victims of second-hand smoke.

I agree with the rest of your post.

I don't have any problem with restaurants, bars etc. banning smoking if they want to, but I do think that pubs should be allowed to have separate designated smoking rooms if they so choose, apart from anything else the smoking ban has been another nail in the coffin of the declining pub industry

MTVN 30-05-2013 04:15 PM

This is the sort of thing that brings out the old school tory side of me


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