This is the same Daley who is shy around people ? the same Daley that has little or no interpersonal skills and avoids groups and group dynamics. The same Daley that wouldn't say boo to a goose......... the one that needed half a dozen people to goad him into standing up and confronting little Dexter and then when little Dexter came down the stairs from the Tree house and looked Daley in the eye Daley's pretend anger evaporated !!

A mean dangerous possibly violent Thug ??? NO.....I think more a quiet shy immature, insecure man who took up Boxing to try and develop a meaner streak...BUT it hasn't helped him and tbh he looks vulnerable in the house especially in the hands of the far more dangerous Hazel.........!!!!

Yes, total control freak.

He was losing it before that..with his rant about '****ing women' and literally counting down from 60 seconds for her to come into the room :o

Are you kidding me? Nah, I think alot of controlling men, don't like group situations, they like one on one and they like to isolate their partners and take away any support system they have so it's easier to control them

Damn I wish I'd have seen all of that, is L/F just online now and is it geo blocked?

Yes... I was just thinking last night how vulnerable and shy he looked... :joker:

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=230060

Do those work for you?

Its the second vid where it (mostly) starts too. About 5 mins on the end of the first one is him starting to try and coax her inside.

I think it's nigh on impossible to judge peoples true character on this type of show as it is so different from real life. Daley may be controlling with women in a one on one situation but the real nasty Alpha males are nasty to everyone in a group or not, in fact they prefer group situations as they revel in the boss role. So I don't think at this time we can put the label of violent nasty thug onto Daley... he would need to exhibit more agressive behaviour to more people in the house before I would believe he is this type of person.

Oh thank you! yes they work, I'll take a look on my lunchbreak!!

I didn't see Daley as being abusive the other night regarding the makeup talk. I thought that he went on for far too long about t and I would have told him to just shut up if it was me, but they did actually look to be mainly flirting to me.

Last nights live feed though I am unsure about. There are bits where it just seems the 2 of them are absolutely sloshed, and having a silly little argument and both of them are laughing hard.

However the bits where Hazel is outside with Charlie, and Daley is inside ranting and raving about "fcking women", and then lies by swearing on his child's life just to get Hazel to come inside, and then does that freaky countdown thing are very weird to watch.

I also did not like him mocking her accent, or the way he was standing on the bed towering over her before the camera cut away and he got called to the diary room. What was he saying to her?

I also heard one bit where he said "I told you, if I get mad it's scary", Hazel replied "but then security....." and the feed was cut again.

When he was getting called to the diary room you could hear him say "did I do something" to Hazel, but it sounded to me a bit like an accusatory tone he asked her in, and she responded, " noooo" in a kind of whiney tone.

Maybe I am picking up their tones wrong, but it seems to me that he becomes much more bossy when they are alone, and Hazel becomes much more whiney and needy, and placating to him. I think this is what annoys me most, because even though I am no fan of Hazel the one thing I like about her is that she seems fairly strong and confident, but she turns into a different person around him.

Did you see when she muttered "I don't like you when you're drunk" and he kept asking to repeat what she said, she wouldn't. She pretended she said "you're drunk, hug me" and tried to laugh it off. Was she afraid to say what she said because he was very forcefully asking her to repeat herself? I know she did later on say that he couldn't handle drink but that was all done in a jokey way.

I don't know, maybe this is their way of flirting? I personally would not feel comfortable alone in that house with Daley.

Abusive people don't have to be nasty to "everyone in a group" to still be violent nasty thugs. Many are very popular, charming and well liked in public but behind closed doors could be monsters.

Just to be clear I am not saying this is the case with Daley at all. Some of the things he does make me uneasy, but as I mentioned they might just have a strange way of flirting, or just having silly little drunken bickering.

Correct PP, the whole senario played out very strangely......How did he get so drunk?

Do they drink on demand while they're in the safe house? ^

I wonder if Daley and Hazel think the live feed and youtubes are only mainly showing the main house rather than both houses? And that's the reason he is letting bits of his personality which have up to that point been well hidden, slip occasionally in the safe house.

I doubt it

It's blocked from their site, but you can watch it (and the HL/BOTS simulcasts in real time) using VLC and directing it to the address of the feed.

And people said it would be boring having Daley and Hazel in the safe house. Lots to discuss here. :joker:

They both seemed drunk to me, but Hazel said to him at one point that he shouldn't be so drunk on "2 glasses of champagne and a mojito".

That's why I referred to it as a series of tantrums. He rages, he calms, he rages, he calms. Once she came inside, he's calm until she suggests changing beds, then he rages yet again. He had more "ups" than most people have on one day, and he had them in the span of an hour.

Yeah, I don't think anyone would have predicted this twist in the tale though :laugh:

hhhhmmm bit strange then, isn't it?

I didn't see live feed last night cuz my internet died but I saw the make up rant and was surprised by how comfortable he is telling her how to dress and act. I think people are jumping the gun calling him abusive but he does seem to be very controlling.

Yeah, I thought they both looked hammered so not sure what was gong on there. Although he looked completely sober when he got called to the Diary room. Maybe they both play up their drunkness so they can later use it as an excuse towards their kissing and stuff?

If you have time, watch the second vid in the link I gave niamh :)

If he was being as bad as painted in here I'm sure he would have been given his cover back a lot earlier.he wouldhave been told off for smacking her bum. Nothing else.

He was called to the DR, and Hazel had no idea how angry he was when it started. It is as bad as it's been painted, and was a slow burn that worked up over time, not in a few seconds.