Originally Posted by fingers (Post 6183475)

Just a pity his trust has been abused.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 6183480)

Only if he's the sort of scumbag who thinks she was "asking" to have Daley turn dark / intimidating on her for the "crime" of flirting and having banter with him. Which I don't think he is. I hope not, anyway, as he was a police officer. And police officer who viewed that footage and thought "Oh yeah, the slut provoked him, she was just asking for something like this to happen" should not be in the job.

She also told Dan in the treehouse the first day that she slapped Daley and pulled down his boxers, and that she got a warning. Your bias is giving you a selective memory.

Why does she need to reveal all of this? Why does she have to offer up details of something unsettling that happened to her for the other housemates to "review"? Why is everyone so desperate to justify Daley's actions?

I don't know how many times I've said this now but the story has been SO twisted by many people, and NOT by Hazel.

Daley didn't mean to scare her, but he did, accidentally.

Big Brother asked her if she had been scared, and she told the truth and said "yeah, a little bit"

Hazel even said at the time that he probably didn't mean to and it was just play fighting gone too far.

She said the same to Dan.

She has never vilified Daley.

UP UNTIL THIS POINT there was no real blame... Daley made a mistake, that is all. He thought she knew it was a game and was OK. She wasn't. All he needed to do was say "yes I made a mistake, I'm sorry that I scared Hazel". Done, dusted, not a huge deal!

Since then, Hazel still hasn't blamed or vilified Daley. She's even said he didn't deserve to be kicked out.

Daley on the other hand... has been an absolute snivelling guilt-avoiding weasle about the whole thing. "Boo hoo boo hoo she used magic spells on me and made my out of control penis cheat on my girlfriend without me having any way to stop it, and then she brewed up a potion in her cauldron and made me play a too-rough sex game with her in a conspiracy to kick me out!". **** off Daley. Utterly, utterly pathetic.

And yet Hazel still gets the bulk of the blame?? What is WRONG with most people??? It's disgusting. It's actually making me really angry. Thousands of women in these situations are now going to be more scared to tell anyone because hey, Hazel brought it on herself, so why not them? It's an absolute disgrace, and BB / the press giving Daley airtime in order to blame the girl is infuriating. That so many people are buying into it is also completely awful.


So... yeah. If Dan is an idiot he'll feel used. If he's any sort of half decent person, he'll find the footage of the incident even more disturbing than he imagined, and still want to protect his friend from the inevitable negative press she's going to face.

Originally Posted by BigBrotherfan4ever (Post 6183035)

I think Dan handled it very well, at the end of day, people are moaning about Dan telling the HM's, but at the end of day, Hazel asked him to speak to the HM's in her behave.

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 6183467)

Yes ,he proved to be a trusted friend ,nice that there are still people like him

Originally Posted by Lex (Post 6183596)

will grasp any opertunity to grab the limelight and thrust himself into any airtime that he can find!

Originally Posted by optimisticcynic (Post 6183528)

At ease, Soldier. My post did not vindicate Daley. All my posts thus far acknowledge he was an idiot, but Daley putting his hands around Hazel's neck has not made me forget my long-held belief that she is a sneaky, devious, cold-hearted fame-hungry cow. She has used men throughout her BB stay, and I do not believe this has stopped. She has assessed the situation and I am sure will try to play it to come out on top. Her tool for the moment: Dan. I am not advocating abuse, think his attempt to ingratiate himself to the public via Katie is ridiculous, and have no interest in his life after Big Brother.

Originally Posted by halfacrown (Post 6183615)

In people's admirable desire to condemn violence, there has been a mad rush to jump on any criticism of Hazel. Hazel has had a bad time of it, but it remains to be seen if she'll become a better person, she's not come across well all series and nothing's changed, yet. Dan was so desperate to own the situation last night that I thought at one point he might lock Hazel in the loo in case she interrupted him. For whatever reason, most of the housemates liked Daley and disliked Hazel, so their confusion was hardly likely to have been extinguished by Dan's speech. Hazel would have done better to have told the housemates exactly what Daley did, even if she didn't want to share all of the back story.

Originally Posted by halfacrown (Post 6183615)

In people's admirable desire to condemn violence, there has been a mad rush to jump on any criticism of Hazel. Hazel has had a bad time of it, but it remains to be seen if she'll become a better person, she's not come across well all series and nothing's changed, yet. Dan was so desperate to own the situation last night that I thought at one point he might lock Hazel in the loo in case she interrupted him. For whatever reason, most of the housemates liked Daley and disliked Hazel, so their confusion was hardly likely to have been extinguished by Dan's speech. Hazel would have done better to have told the housemates exactly what Daley did, even if she didn't want to share all of the back story.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 6183480)

Only if he's the sort of scumbag who thinks she was "asking" to have Daley turn dark / intimidating on her for the "crime" of flirting and having banter with him. Which I don't think he is. I hope not, anyway, as he was a police officer. And police officer who viewed that footage and thought "Oh yeah, the slut provoked him, she was just asking for something like this to happen" should not be in the job.

She also told Dan in the treehouse the first day that she slapped Daley and pulled down his boxers, and that she got a warning. Your bias is giving you a selective memory.

Why does she need to reveal all of this? Why does she have to offer up details of something unsettling that happened to her for the other housemates to "review"? Why is everyone so desperate to justify Daley's actions?

I don't know how many times I've said this now but the story has been SO twisted by many people, and NOT by Hazel.

Daley didn't mean to scare her, but he did, accidentally.

Big Brother asked her if she had been scared, and she told the truth and said "yeah, a little bit"

Hazel even said at the time that he probably didn't mean to and it was just play fighting gone too far.

She said the same to Dan.

She has never vilified Daley.

UP UNTIL THIS POINT there was no real blame... Daley made a mistake, that is all. He thought she knew it was a game and was OK. She wasn't. All he needed to do was say "yes I made a mistake, I'm sorry that I scared Hazel". Done, dusted, not a huge deal!

Since then, Hazel still hasn't blamed or vilified Daley. She's even said he didn't deserve to be kicked out.

Daley on the other hand... has been an absolute snivelling guilt-avoiding weasle about the whole thing. "Boo hoo boo hoo she used magic spells on me and made my out of control penis cheat on my girlfriend without me having any way to stop it, and then she brewed up a potion in her cauldron and made me play a too-rough sex game with her in a conspiracy to kick me out!". **** off Daley. Utterly, utterly pathetic.

And yet Hazel still gets the bulk of the blame?? What is WRONG with most people??? It's disgusting. It's actually making me really angry. Thousands of women in these situations are now going to be more scared to tell anyone because hey, Hazel brought it on herself, so why not them? It's an absolute disgrace, and BB / the press giving Daley airtime in order to blame the girl is infuriating. That so many people are buying into it is also completely awful.


So... yeah. If Dan is an idiot he'll feel used. If he's any sort of half decent person, he'll find the footage of the incident even more disturbing than he imagined, and still want to protect his friend from the inevitable negative press she's going to face.

Originally Posted by fingers (Post 6183659)

It will all come out sooner or later and there ought to be some anger and also some red faces at how easily they have been hoodwinked.

Originally Posted by optimisticcynic (Post 6183528)

At ease, Soldier. My post did not vindicate Daley. All my posts thus far acknowledge he was an idiot, but Daley putting his hands around Hazel's neck has not made me forget my long-held belief that she is a sneaky, devious, cold-hearted fame-hungry cow. She has used men throughout her BB stay, and I do not believe this has stopped. She has assessed the situation and I am sure will try to play it to come out on top. Her tool for the moment: Dan. I am not advocating abuse, think his attempt to ingratiate himself to the public via Katie is ridiculous, and have no interest in his life after Big Brother.