Charlie or Gina for me :spin:

Tbh I didn't, all she did was change the goalpost when it suited her and then done some fake tears.

Exactly - masculinity isn't static, it varies.
Some men are more like women than men e.g. in the way they bitch.
To be fair he might be boring as hell but you don't see plainman alpha male Sam bitching.
Let's face facts, gay/bi people often act more like women in their bitching/gossiping than men.

Sam is the boring alpha male.
The twins are hardly out of nappies.
Yes Callum bitched but he appeared mixed up in his head.

Starting to agree with you here !

It begs the question...

If Sam and Charlie are the nicest people in there then how come Sam is supposedly storming it and Charlie is way behind ?

Erm, think we all know the answer !

Charlie deserved what she got..
 

I have been telling people how sly and manipulative Charlie is for many weeks. Charlie deserved what she got, because finally some real truth has been told. She has been mean, cruel, heartless, selfish, and never cared abut other people's feelings. What goes around comes around. Evict Charlie next!

In the past, people ganged up on Dexter, then Jemima, then Wolfy, then Callum. None of those housemates got any sympathy. Why would Charlie be an exception? Charlie is absolutely horrible person. She deserves what she got. She is only upset because she got found out.

I find it quite funny how they can all act like hungry wolves on the attack ganging up on one person and they are delusional enough to think they made the one being attacked look to be the bad one and that person will be the one to go.

As Gina said tonight "Charlie will definitely go Friday unless she plays the victim". Do they really not realise that she isn't the one that looked bad and THEY are the ones that turned her into the victim? :conf: More likely Hazel has well and truly sealed her fate tonight.

Very little of what was said was real truth, in fact most of it was twisted ****...and I am NOT a fan of Charlie.

I agree. Although Hazel had a fair and valid point in that Charlie was doubting her 'emotions' when she had tears in her eyes with the family letters, I think Hazel was too confrontational and intimidating in her dealings with Charlie.

With everything else going against Charlie, she seemed to be kicking her when she was down. Hazel was more wronged by Charlie than Charlie was by Hazel, yet I felt that Hazel was too cold and venomous to be sided with as she should have been - if you know what I mean!
Both Hazel and Gina made a more of a victim of Charlie than was necessary - and in the process made themselves look bad.

So not what I meant by masculinity and femininity not being static....

What I meant was that Dan and Dex are just as male, they just present different masculinities. There isn't a single model of masculinity to which 'real men' adhere; and non-conformity to a single model of masculinity does not make someone 'not a real man'.

Example ?

I DO agree she made a meal out of the love triangle thing.

But I sense it's more about not wanting to offend people than manipulating them.
Or is too worried about offending people or public perception.
Think she's just too weak to say no !

Sorry but Hazel with her top off getting a rub down or foot massage from Joe/Jack strikes me as her sucking up big time for much needed alliances.
Would she REALLY let them anywhere near her in the real world ?

Fact is, she's already said she doesn't care about anyone in there ?!

You can have personal opinions on someone but you can't argue with blatant inconsistency...

Charlie annoys the hell out of me she speaks at 600 mph about how she's not good at things.... confrontation, assessing situations/people, not saying the wrong thing, speaking up for herself.....

Charlie is mentally challenged - to put it kindly!

I think she's maternally challenged :p

I think having Jackie as a mother couldn't be easy.

It was horrible when she was crying!

Exactly. She can't figure it out but then as soon as it's blown over she reverts to her tittle tattling and "verbalising her thoughts".

So either she's completely blind and can't see these things or she's a sly bitch who uses her reputation of not thinking before she speaks, being a bit ditzy, being on a 'journey' to get away with it.

I felt so bad for Charlie too. I really don't think she did anything wrong, she's just misunderstood.

I'm astounded at the number of people buying into Charlie being clever enough to be sly and manipulative, she's as thick as pig crap, and last night's viewing was very uncomfortable imo as it very much resembled bullying to me!!!

I find her utterly , boring repetitive, monotonous, self obsessed and tedious running out of adjectives. BUT for me last night was very uncomfortable viewing. Bear bating, give them all sticks. Will someone just drown those twins.

Yes I agree. Charlie is the natural product of a mother like that.

I felt so sorry for her. I'm no longer supporting Gina anymore, the arrogant bitch

I agree, she would absolutely do my head in, even when chatting in the diary room.
I am listening as she starts,then she goes off in all directions,makes hardly any sense, contradicts herself and all with a miserable hang dog expression that near has me thinking I may need some headache relief.