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Videostar 31-08-2013 12:09 AM
I don't think Lauren is playing the victim...I don't think Lauren knows whats going on, if you ask me.

Seanbon 31-08-2013 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Nemo123 (Post 6348547)
It's apples and oranges here.
I knew that someone would reply with that. Whatever the truth may be, Bradley did a noble deed. What has Lauren done did mankind no favours a all.
Not really! Since the beginning of time there has been subterfuge,normally done in the general public's interest,despite the propaganda,so revealing it in detail doesn't help anyone,probably the exact opposite!!!
I'm not a naive muppet,btw,but when you're dealing with the Taliban,and their ilk,you need to employ a certain degree of undercover work,and then Bradley and Wikileaks reveal all,DOH!?!?!

Seanbon 31-08-2013 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by cfromhx02 (Post 6348660)
No, of course she is not playing the victim. The behaviour of the crowd towards her shows the bigotry towards transgendered people; it's not just brain dead chavs like them that at heart when shove comes to push as Ron said but it's really push comes to shove that are against transgendered people or of course anyone who is different and doesn't conform.

Even those who make out they are OK with transgendered people secretly are very uncomfortable with them because they are different.Lauren has told us she had something thrown through her window.I myself am transgender, hence, partly why my username is so coded and why I don't show my picture.

Lauren has good reason for finding it hard to trust anyone and it is no surprise when anyone is horrible towards her or when uneducated people in the crowd (most in the public don't have a clue about transgendered people and throw their opinions around and don't make the effort to research it or read up on it).

I myself when I have been out appearing female in public have been surrounded by gangs,have had one person come up as close as she could to my face trying to force me to speak male to reveal myself to her, I caught light of my wig with my cigarette because of it, I've had abuse hurled at me as I passed a group of guys in street playing football that lived across from me, then one night they tried to break my door down, then another trans person I know had a petrol bomb dropped through her letter box, and luckily she saw it in time so as it didn't set light to the rest of her house.

So the bigotry against transgendered people because they are different is very real.You must know yourselves that anyone who was different and didn't conform and fit in with the crowd at school were the ones who were bullied.It carries on but more secretly but the true feelings of many come out when push comes to shove in adult hood too, anyone who is different gets abuse, and as transgendered people are the newest different thing on the block they get the most abuse.

So of course Lauren isn't playing the victim. She knows and keeps being proved correct how nasty most people truly are at heart towards transgendered people.
Feel for you mate,and can never relate to what you've gone through,and presumably are still going through! Too many narrow minded muppets about,but hopefully enough people with brain cells to counter the balance?!? Take care.:xyxwave:

Videostar 31-08-2013 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by cfromhx02 (Post 6348660)
No, of course she is not playing the victim. The behaviour of the crowd towards her shows the bigotry towards transgendered people;
I've got no love for the eviction crowds, nor do I think Lauren is playing the victim...but to say that those who booed Lauren proves that they are transphobic is just wrong, some might be, but it could be possible that not everyone likes Lauren for fair reasons.

PLEASE, don't play that card simply because not everyone likes the trans gendered HM.

Northern Monkey 31-08-2013 01:49 AM
I think she's stark raving bonkers,Or atleast one sandwich short of a picnic.She seems to smother poor Courtney,I don't think Courtney knew what she was getting into when she befriended Lauren.I think Lauren would benefit from being out of that house tbh.It's hard enough in there for anyone,nevermind someone as fragile and socially inept as Lauren.

Seanbon 31-08-2013 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by EyeballPaul (Post 6349081)
I think she's stark raving bonkers,Or atleast one sandwich short of a picnic.She seems to smother poor Courtney,I don't think Courtney knew what she was getting into when she befriended Lauren.I think Lauren would benefit from being out of that house tbh.It's hard enough in there for anyone,nevermind someone as fragile and socially inept as Lauren.
Needs to get out asap,and probably should never have gone in,but again the "stark raving bonkers" is so out of order!! Imagine if she was a friend or a family member,grow up!?!?!?:nono:

Northern Monkey 31-08-2013 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Seanbon (Post 6349097)
Needs to get out asap,and probably should never have gone in,but again the "stark raving bonkers" is so out of order!! Imagine if she was a friend or a family member,grow up!?!?!?:nono:
She's defo on another planet mentally.imo

jegmeister 31-08-2013 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Videostar (Post 6348940)
I've got no love for the eviction crowds, nor do I think Lauren is playing the victim...but to say that those who booed Lauren proves that they are transphobic is just wrong, some might be, but it could be possible that not everyone likes Lauren for fair reasons.

PLEASE, don't play that card simply because not everyone likes the trans gendered HM.
You see this is what is making me put Lauren as one of my most disliked Celeb HMs of all time. The constant accusation of bullying and victim playing that she indulges in. She is a narcissistic manipulator - the fact she is transgender is neither here nor there. I intensely dislike her personality and no amount of guilt-tripping from her, the posters or the public about her past or her sexuality will make me change that.

Blue Cadillac 31-08-2013 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by jegmeister (Post 6349138)
You see this is what is making me put Lauren as one of my most disliked Celeb HMs of all time. The constant accusation of bullying and victim playing that she indulges in. She is a narcissistic manipulator - the fact she is transgender is neither here nor there. I intensely dislike her personality and no amount of guilt-tripping from her, the posters or the public about her past or her sexuality will make me change that.
Amen to that.

Ammi 31-08-2013 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by jegmeister (Post 6349138)
You see this is what is making me put Lauren as one of my most disliked Celeb HMs of all time. The constant accusation of bullying and victim playing that she indulges in. She is a narcissistic manipulator - the fact she is transgender is neither here nor there. I intensely dislike her personality and no amount of guilt-tripping from her, the posters or the public about her past or her sexuality will make me change that.
..I don't think she is a manipulator, maybe she is and I don't see it but I think the 'bullying/victim cards' she seems to play are because she probably has had a life of people being scathing about who she is and so assumes everyone's actions are motivated the same, when maybe they just don't like her as a person...I think she genuinely can't differentiate....

Johnnyuk123 31-08-2013 08:14 AM
Lauren is a great housemate! Love her!

south12345 31-08-2013 10:32 AM
No doubt Lauren has some mental health issues which make her appear to be playing the part of the victim
Cocooned in her family home she has not learnt the necessary social skills to interact with others at this level, esp not celebrities with big egos. But because of her naivety and lack of social skills she is going about it the wrong way.So people are turning against her, not because she is transgender, but simply because she is misunderstood. Rejection has been a big part of her life and so when it appears she is being rejected by her fellow HMs and the public she retreats into her bubble and the tears flow....

Cherie 31-08-2013 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva (Post 6348515)
No. I think she's lived a very sheltered life and is very naive. She's not malicious. She gets her point across without calling people names etc. I think her parents have kept her child-like and that shows through. She's out of her comfort zone, quite possibly deluded in some respects, but I think a bit of a confidence boost and encouragement could help her.

You never saw her on BOTS then partnered up with Pete Burns doing the fashion reviews?

Bojangles 31-08-2013 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Videostar (Post 6348804)
I don't think Lauren is playing the victim...I don't think Lauren knows whats going on, if you ask me.
I agree,Lauren is a very mixed up person.

CaudleHalbard 31-08-2013 10:36 AM
Why Lauren even a celebrity? Apart from appear on BOTS, she hasn't done anything for about 25 years has she?

I know one could say similarly of Courtney..... but at least she's more current!

Tozzie 31-08-2013 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva (Post 6348515)
No. I think she's lived a very sheltered life and is very naive. She's not malicious. She gets her point across without calling people names etc. I think her parents have kept her child-like and that shows through. She's out of her comfort zone, quite possibly deluded in some respects, but I think a bit of a confidence boost and encouragement could help her.
should anything happen to her parents I think Lauren would be lost. I hope out of this show she does manage to find some friends and a bit of happiness.

Pincho Paxton 31-08-2013 10:43 AM
All the best bits have Lauren in them this year. Most of the best bits do not play the victim card, but some do...

Best bits...

1/ Funny Hairstyling.
2/ Funny dance
3/ Funny song
4/ Carol sends Lauren to Sophie
5/ Courtney you are my best friend
6/ Courtney wore a slutty dress
7/ Lauren is not picked for the party
8/ Lauren and Tablet-gate
9/ Lauren goes to bed
10/ Lauren locked in the toilet
11/ Bruce Goes Mad
12/ Brush gets stuck in hair

So Lauren to win is a fair vote!

Lord Of The Garden 31-08-2013 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 6349442)
You never saw her on BOTS then partnered up with Pete Burns doing the fashion reviews?
Exactly !

She had no problem judging other people then and making bitchy comments about their looks etc.

But God forbid anyone dares to judge HER - or make comments about HER appearance -

If they do then they MUST be transphobic !

Talk about double standards.

She is one of those people who can dish it out but can't take it back. And has no qualms playing the 'transphobic' card when people are at odds with her.

I personally think she does more harm than good for Transgenders by being so hypocritical and so quick to unfairly accuse others of prejudice.

Unlike Luke A who has done a huge amount of good for the profile of Transgenders - simply by being a fair and decent person.

In all his clashes with Luke S - he never once resorted to calling him Transphobic ! Nor would he. He is realistic, honest and played it fair.

Luke A deserved his win for being such a good person. Lauren resorts to cheap shots when she clashes with people and therefore in my mind, is not deserving of such a win.

Mrluvaluva 31-08-2013 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 6349442)
You never saw her on BOTS then partnered up with Pete Burns doing the fashion reviews?
No, I haven't. My comments are based on what I have seen of her of course. Although I know Pete is a sarcastic bitchy queen so I can imagine what he was like. -goes to try and find footage-

Ammi 31-08-2013 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva (Post 6348515)
No. I think she's lived a very sheltered life and is very naive. She's not malicious. She gets her point across without calling people names etc. I think her parents have kept her child-like and that shows through. She's out of her comfort zone, quite possibly deluded in some respects, but I think a bit of a confidence boost and encouragement could help her.
..I agree with you, she seems to struggle around people and maybe she prefers to just be around one person which could be another reason why she seems to 'cling' to Courtney..she's someone I didn't expect to like as she's had such a 'bitchy persona' on BBOTS, but I think that's just her 'job' and not who she really is, I think this is the first time we're seeing who she really is and she is almost like a child sometimes...

angbobs 31-08-2013 01:16 PM
I think she is playing the victim big time. I also think Emma Willis and BBOTs are bigging her up all the time because she worked for them. She was ruthless on there and had no problem being very nasty and quite vocal about the housemates and now she is trying to come over as all sweet.

joeysteele 31-08-2013 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by angbobs (Post 6349751)
I think she is playing the victim big time. I also think Emma Willis and BBOTs are bigging her up all the time because she worked for them. She was ruthless on there and had no problem being very nasty and quite vocal about the housemates and now she is trying to come over as all sweet.
I am more with you, she was rather scathing at times as to other people when a guest on bbbots a couple of years back.
She says she has no friends, well for me maybe she needs to ask herself why that is.
Friendship goes 2 ways, you being able to be yourself and the other person also being able to have their opinions and ways too.
Lauren takes any criticism really badly and even when it isn't that bad she feels it for some other reason such as her story being the reason they don't get on with her.

She has surprised me in the house in that she doesn't seem to know or even want to try to really understand and get along with the others.
She observes plenty and has much to say about others but it is the broken look and rather childlike reasoning she has that has made me not like her as a housemate and I would go further to say she shouldn't be a housemate on BB.

She has claimed to want to do this for years,go on BB but although she is not as annoying as I thought she would be, I find her really boring and not entertaining at all as a housemate.

I too am irritated the way bbbots goes on about her and Emma in particular, no housemate should expect special treatment or get it.
Lauren to me is just someone who seems nowhere near ready to take on the BB experience that involves so many other people as equal housemates.
As I said earlier, if she really has no real friends, I can see why she hasn't and she really is likely to blame for that too in my opinion for the way she carries on,especially in the way she,as you point out. plays the victim bigtime.

EatMyFlan 31-08-2013 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Waynoo (Post 6348454)
She is a very smart person lets not get fooled by the "dumb blonde" act. She is playing for sympathy and the viewers are falling for it,even I was initially until the last few shows. Lets get her out!


I agree with you entirely. People seem to be falling for it though.....Lauren is manipulative. "You won't vote for me will you??" leading Courtney to feel guilty if she did nominate her and Lauren to get her own way....

EatMyFlan 31-08-2013 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by cfromhx02 (Post 6348660)
No, of course she is not playing the victim. The behaviour of the crowd towards her shows the bigotry towards transgendered people; it's not just brain dead chavs like them that at heart when shove comes to push as Ron said but it's really push comes to shove that are against transgendered people or of course anyone who is different and doesn't conform.

Even those who make out they are OK with transgendered people secretly are very uncomfortable with them because they are different.Lauren has told us she had something thrown through her window.I myself am transgender, hence, partly why my username is so coded and why I don't show my picture.

Lauren has good reason for finding it hard to trust anyone and it is no surprise when anyone is horrible towards her or when uneducated people in the crowd (most in the public don't have a clue about transgendered people and throw their opinions around and don't make the effort to research it or read up on it).

I myself when I have been out appearing female in public have been surrounded by gangs,have had one person come up as close as she could to my face trying to force me to speak male to reveal myself to her, I caught light of my wig with my cigarette because of it, I've had abuse hurled at me as I passed a group of guys in street playing football that lived across from me, then one night they tried to break my door down, then another trans person I know had a petrol bomb dropped through her letter box, and luckily she saw it in time so as it didn't set light to the rest of her house.

So the bigotry against transgendered people because they are different is very real.You must know yourselves that anyone who was different and didn't conform and fit in with the crowd at school were the ones who were bullied.It carries on but more secretly but the true feelings of many come out when push comes to shove in adult hood too, anyone who is different gets abuse, and as transgendered people are the newest different thing on the block they get the most abuse.

So of course Lauren isn't playing the victim. She knows and keeps being proved correct how nasty most people truly are at heart towards transgendered people.


It has nothing whatsoever to do with her being transgendered!!! It's because she is a selfish prat who only thinks of herself. Stop being so stupid.

EatMyFlan 31-08-2013 02:43 PM
I don't like louie very much but I 'spose I'm homophobic and it has nothing to do with him being a bitch???? Get a life.


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