she doesn't sound welsh to me. she sounds like a true blue Australian.





Now that's an impressive Australian Prime Minister. imho.

i'm the biggest troll? i can count the number of your friends around here on a ball bearing. a perfect sphere, so lonely.

Come on ladies put the handbags down... :laugh:
It's unusual for such a senior conservative to break ranks isn't it, could this lead to a mass revolt by like minded tories and lib dems?

In the way he has broken ranks it is Kizzy, he was however a PM with more heart than this one and all he outlined is correct in my view as to these greedy energy companies.

It could be hoped that at the very least this could change the opinions of the Lib Dems as to the energy companies.
However the energy secretary is, cleverly by the PM's choice, a Lib Dem MP Ed Davey, so maybe hoped for change of policy is too much to ask for.

Toy Soldier on this thread said the cold weather payments were a joke,I didn't know much about them until just over 2 years ago but TS is right they are.

Apparantly, it has to be on or below freezing for 7 days in a row to get them, if it is freezing for 5 or 6 days none are paid.
Then they take a week to 10 days to be paid.

If you have someone really freezing and in what they call fuel poverty, then a freezing spell occurs, they have no idea if they will even get anything.
For anyone on these other vile things as to pre payment meters,(which should be done away with in my view from all the research I have done into them),they have to pay upfront,they haven't a luxury of waiting for a bill they have to cough up right there and then.

These rises however are not going to just hit the most vulnerable and poorest in society,they are going to hit a great deal more of working people and it is time someone did get some re-organisation of these greedy and rotten energy companies.

I am not someone who really believes in nationalisation and it most certainly isn't on the agenda of any party as to this issue now.
For me now however I would, I would want to pool all the resources of all the energy companies and make all of those resources work for the benefit of the consumers.
It is time they were well and truly stopped from feathering their own nests at the ever increasing costs as to their customers from them and were made to provide a a more just and fair service to all of them.

gas electricity trains gas and THE RAIN should never have been privatised...its as ridiculous as privatising oxygen

the main problem is and will always be
1) There is no competition, these are all cartels of monopolies who fix prices
2) These massive areas always require the mass of government investment
no company could ever cover all of the expenses to maintain all the railways etc
3) WE the tax payers always have to pay for the infrastructure, only for these private companies to take the billions of pounds cream off the top..oh and then pay 1% tax on it

Yes competition is good, love it. But only in certain sectors, where competiton is actually possible. but no we don't care less about small to medium healthy competition anymore. we are just enslaved to the chosen few monstrous corporations, because they have the spineless politicians in their grubby pockets

I would say I agree with near all that the truth.

I wasn't around when the privatisation programme was done but I certainly agree that electric, gas and also water should never have been privatised.

All that has meant is customers paying more and more for those essential things,also as to gas and electricity,it was the case people had to change to one or the other from open fires and the water heating service from those open fires as to their homes too.

So what's the soloution?...
I would say everyone change back, go back to solid fuel.
Invest in woodburning stoves, eco boilers, solar, insulation anything that takes control back.
We are subject to extortion, as said the government are doing very nicely thankyou from it so they won't rock the gravy train.
I heard of a book and thought of you joey, it's called 'The New Few' by Ferdinand Mount.
Seems like the thinking is we are in a period of transforming into an oligarchy.