Have we? Are the masonic lodges present in every town in the UK accepting female members all of a sudden? Hmmm... no, they're not. But no one makes a huge fuss because these organisations are private members clubs, attending one is a choice, and those who disagree with their outdated values simply don't go.

This is absolutely no different. Other than it being about nasty, scary, hairy Muslims instead of old white men. Think about the Masonic order for a minute. Did you get as angry about that as you are about this? No? Now consider why that might be?

Again, this is about guest speakers - not standard University course lectures - and attending these lectures is completely optional. It is not segregation in a public setting. It is clearly not some sort of imminent threat to our culture. It's getting zealots in to speak when they otherwise simply wouldn't come, because hearing them speak is academically interesting, and just blustering "WELL THEY JUST SHOULDN'T COME THEN BLAAARGH" is limiting to a University. You don't have to agree with a speaker to be interested in attending something like this. You can attend to debate against them. And the ability to do that is more important than refusing to allow the event to take place in the first place. Failure to realise this is and blustering in with butthurt placards is, frankly, unacademic and has no real place in any discussion over how a University is run. I will be horrified if these Universities bow to pressure and allow the assembled masses to dictate their policies.

I was specifically referring to the part of the article that talks about people of "ultra orthodox faith". That phrase 'ultra orthodox' is mostly used to refer to an extreme tenet of Judaism and one that does advocate gender segregation

Not sure your comparison with Masonic lodges highlights the issue in this thread. what is under attack here is the changing of well established normal routines eg when people attend lectures regardless of the subject or speaker, people sit wherever that is to say they are not compelled to suddenly undergo a gender segregation becuase it suits the whim or desire of the speaker.

This is the issue at hand when did we suddenly start allowing ourselves to be dictated to, and ask to accept new patterns of behaviour on the say so of someone who clearly believes that his way is the correct way.

It is not..........and we should resist such requests regardless of the academic consequences....!!!!

schools have segregation don't they? there are also many womens only organizations in this country and 1000s more female only charities than for males....clearly that point is lost here as this site is brainwashed by feminist bias

I think their use of the word "orthodox" was referring to orthodox religions in general. I don't think they were referring to any one religion in particular, and neither was I.

I think most women on this site are for equality.

Well aside from the Islamophobia this is bound to engender, sex segregation cannot be permitted in any form. I never graduated high school because of sex segregation because they made a new rule that boys and girls couldn't sit together on the bus anymore, and I refused to move so was off the bus with no way to school. What with this, the Croatian and Indian bans on gay rights, it seems like we've been taking some regrettable steps back in basic human rights lately.... at least we all have Uruguay though

I didn't say that you were? My original comment asking why Muslims were being talked about specifically was more responding to the thread title

My mistake... I misunderstood.

Ahh I see - so gender segregation is OK so long as it's British gender segregation, not a foreign invasion of murky alien gender segregators. This is pretty much what I suspected. This is not an issue of gender equality, but a cultural one.

You do realise feminism is about EQUALITY? Right?

The PM has said no to this

http://www.theguardian.com/education...er-segregation


[The body that represents UK universities
has withdrawn guidance on the
gender segregation
of audiences in lectures and debates
after the prime minister, David Cameron, said it
should not be allowed to happen.
Universities UK said a controversial
case study setting out the guidance
was being withdrawn while it
reviewed its stance, but insisted
the legal position remained unclear
on whether the voluntary separation
of men and women could be allowed
at events such as lectures on Islam by
visiting speakers.
Cameron's spokesman had
earlier said Universities UK
should urgently review the guidance.]

another great live debate on Ch4News
Jon Snow with a Islamic woman who wants Segregation
and a Lady against that.

http://www.channel4.com/news/panderi...er-segregation
2nd video down
Video of the new Debate
from Ch4News tonight

I hope no uni is idiotic and weak enough to implement this

Sigh, it was inevitable :rolleyes: Islam is a RELIGION not a race, where are they mean to go? cuz I bet most of them were born here

It's funny because the people who get so worked up when being branded racist for slating Islam tend to always get race involved first

Tell someone who cares Sally. :rolleyes: