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M X 05-01-2014 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Scream (Post 6590006)
tbh it's just a warning...his behaviour was borderline homophobic so they warned him to stop...
i'm failing to see how equalling being gay to being handicapped is just 'boderline' homophobia :joker:

Benjamin 05-01-2014 09:15 PM
Oh god all the little delicate queens and princesses are off on one on social media.

Cherie 05-01-2014 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by MichaelSpears (Post 6589997)
Trust me, I understand you guys who are saying "Why should he be warned? All he was saying is what he believes in, he wasn't aggressive about it." However, would you say the same thing if a white housemate sat there and said "I don't think it's normal to be black. I think they should try and change their race and bleach their skin because their race is a birth defect, like some form of handicap." If the person was completely unaggressive about it, would this be okay and not warrant a warning or removal from the house?

There isn't any difference between homophobia and racism and religion should not be used as an excuse to be able to broadcast that opinion on television. It's like saying that there's nothing wrong with radical extreme muslims voicing their views about terrorism.

Yeah I agree if Jim said this he would be castigated and in fairness this is what I expect from Jim

ThisIsNickkk 05-01-2014 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Benjamin (Post 6590035)
Look I am gay myself and I am mature enough to know that people have different opinions and have had different upbringings.
Perfectly put. Sometimes, you just have to tolerate other people's opinions and be mature enough to let it go over your head.

I think his opinion is very, very wrong, but I guess you just have to understand that that is his opinion and he's entitled to have it, no matter how wrong it may be.

Legend killer 05-01-2014 09:16 PM
Luisa should not have asked the question should have been here receiving the warning

This ain't no Z-Lister like Dappy we talking about an A + lister , top 10 GOAT boxer here Evander should have got up and gave the camera a right hook for having the nerve to call him out

M X 05-01-2014 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Benjamin (Post 6590035)
Look I am gay myself and I am mature enough to know that people have different opinions and have had different upbringings from different generations.
Oh please :joker: Yeah let's just embrace Westboro Baptist Church. What a joy to have people from all different backgrounds express their discriminatory beliefs.

lime 05-01-2014 09:17 PM
Whilst I don't agree with his religous beliefs...they are his religous beliefs so i don't think he should have got a warning.These beliefs however outdated they are to me are held by people from all races so I don't get how people are comparing his beliefs to racism.

Benjamin 05-01-2014 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by MichaelSpears (Post 6590050)
Oh please :joker: Yeah let's just embrace Westboro Baptist Church. What a joy to have people from all different backgrounds express their discriminatory beliefs.
No it's called being realistic. If he had gone out of his way to rant about how he hates gays and they should be burned then fine. But a private convo that had the question asked to him is not in the same league. But by all means, carry on crying homophobia at every little thing. You'll grow up one day.

chuff me dizzy 05-01-2014 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Benjamin (Post 6589911)
He wasn't rude or hateful about it. It was an opinion he was sharing with Luisa because she asked.
TOTALLY agree, and no matter what, he has a right to his opinion ,this is what truly pees me off, telling others what they can or cannot think or say ...who has the right to that ?No one IMO

sampvt 05-01-2014 09:19 PM
Lots of people have personal views about sexuality, race and a host of issues, that's not illegal or immoral but talking about it is. CH5 are just being politically correct to cover their asses.

Apple202 05-01-2014 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Benjamin (Post 6590035)
Look I am gay myself and I am mature enough to know that people have different opinions and have had different upbringings from different generations.
do you not realise how stupid this sentence is

chuff me dizzy 05-01-2014 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Benjamin (Post 6590059)
No it's called being realistic. If he had gone out of his way to rant about how he hates gays and they should be burned then fine. But a private convo that had the question asked to him is not in the same league. But by all means, carry on crying homophobia at every little thing. You'll grow up one day.
:worship::worship:

M X 05-01-2014 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by lime (Post 6590053)
Whilst I don't agree with his religous beliefs...they are his religous beliefs so i don't think he should have got a warning.These beliefs however outdated they are to me are held by people from all races so I don't get how people are comparing his beliefs to racism.
You've missed the point. I wasn't saying that the beliefs are only held by one race. I was saying that homophobia is the same as racism. There is no difference. You are discriminating against someone based on something they didn't chose. Religion or not, it is discrimination.

And don't give me the whole 'freedom of speech' thing. I'm not saying that Evander shouldn't be able to express his beliefs, but I don't believe that he should have expressed them on television. That isn't a freedom of speech situation, that is a situation in which he has violated his contract which clearly states that such things cannot be said on air and what he is being paid for. Very similar situation to what happened with the Duck Dynasty guy recently.

Cherie 05-01-2014 09:20 PM
I await the reaction to Jim's opinion on gays lol

Benjamin 05-01-2014 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Apple202 (Post 6590066)
do you not realise how stupid this sentence is
When you grow up and learn more about the world then tell me that sentence is stupid.

Chuck 05-01-2014 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by sampvt (Post 6590064)
Lots of people have personal views about sexuality, race and a host of issues, that's not illegal or immoral but talking about it is. CH5 are just being politically correct to cover their asses.
There is no such thing as "personal view" about race. There is being racist or not. Same with sexuality.

MeMyselfAndI 05-01-2014 09:22 PM
Gone off him, shame Luisa will be evicted due too his ignorant views

chuff me dizzy 05-01-2014 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck (Post 6590079)
There is no such thing as "personal view" about race. There is being racist or not. Same with sexuality.
WRONG

Jordan. 05-01-2014 09:23 PM
lmao at it being okay for Evander to have his opinion but anyone disagreeing with it isn't allowed to have theirs.

Seanbon 05-01-2014 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Benjamin (Post 6590059)
No it's called being realistic. If he had gone out of his way to rant about how he hates gays and they should be burned then fine. But a private convo that had the question asked to him is not in the same league. But by all means, carry on crying homophobia at every little thing. You'll grow up one day.
:thumbs::thumbs:Some people just look for offence as a hobby! And who gets to appoint the "Thought Police"??:conf:

BigBrotherfan4ever 05-01-2014 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by MichaelSpears (Post 6589997)
Trust me, I understand you guys who are saying "Why should he be warned? All he was saying is what he believes in, he wasn't aggressive about it." However, would you say the same thing if a white housemate sat there and said "I don't think it's normal to be black. I think they should try and change their race and bleach their skin because their race is a birth defect, like some form of handicap." If the person was completely unaggressive about it, would this be okay and not warrant a warning or removal from the house?

There isn't any difference between homophobia and racism and religion should not be used as an excuse to be able to broadcast that opinion on television. It's like saying that there's nothing wrong with radical extreme muslims voicing their views about terrorism.
100% agree with you, I think he should have been evicted for that .... I just hope the public evicted him now, as you say if he had made a racist comment he would have been asked to leave, in my eyes there no different being homophobic & racism, there as bad as each other.

MeMyselfAndI 05-01-2014 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Benjamin (Post 6590075)
When you grow up and learn more about the world then tell me that sentence is stupid.
I hate replies like this

Apple202 05-01-2014 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Benjamin (Post 6590075)
When you grow up and learn more about the world then tell me that sentence is stupid.
I love how your only response to everyone who disagrees with you is "grow up" - I think you should probably take your own advice there, you're nowhere near as clever as you think you are

M X 05-01-2014 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Benjamin (Post 6590059)
No it's called being realistic. If he had gone out of his way to rant about how he hates gays and they should be burned then fine. But a private convo that had the question asked to him is not in the same league. But by all means, carry on crying homophobia at every little thing. You'll grow up one day.
Wow, why are you being rude? Can't you have a discussion without resorting to it? :laugh: It's not called being realistic at all. It's called tolerating discrimination because on some level you don't see a problem with it. And before you use, "I'm gay myself" as some sort of comeback, please don't because it's irrelevant in the case when you are supporting homophobia.

How am I "crying homophobia"? It's not as if he just said "Oh, I don't really think that being gay is okay" - he said that being gay is wrong, unnatural, a mistake, and a disability. How exactly is this not homophobia? :laugh:

Apple202 05-01-2014 09:25 PM
Ben being rightfully dragged http://a.mod-site.net/s/appl.gif


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