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arista 01-06-2014 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 6887491)
" Don Thompson (born 1963) is the president and chief executive officer of McDonald's, succeeding Jim Skinner on June 30, 2012.[1][2] Thompson is an electrical engineer who joined McDonald's in 1990 from a fighter jet maker that is now part of Northrop Grumman. At McDonald's he designed robotic equipment for food transport and made control circuits for cooking."

" Thompson is a graduate of Purdue University and holds an honorary doctorate from Excelsior College. Thompson is a Brother of the Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity. [2]"


CHECK YOUR FACTS Arista. "the bottom" indeed.


My Facts are right

wiki - not enough on it.


He was on a Bloomberg docu.

user104658 01-06-2014 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 6887854)
My Facts are right

wiki - not enough on it.


He was on a Bloomberg docu.

Whether it tells the full story or not is irrelevant - he is a skilled engineer, a university graduate and a golden ticket frat boy. To represent him as a "rags to riches" Cinderella story who clawed his way through the company from burger flipper to CEO, is a complete work of fiction.

Ninastar 01-06-2014 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 6887061)
If it was the only thing I could get, I'd do it. It doesn't have to be long term.

this.

there are people who would do anything for a job. It's not that bad.

people shouldn't look down on others for working at mcdonalds. If it was that horrific, they wouldn't eat there.

arista 01-06-2014 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 6887956)
Whether it tells the full story or not is irrelevant - he is a skilled engineer, a university graduate and a golden ticket frat boy. To represent him as a "rags to riches" Cinderella story who clawed his way through the company from burger flipper to CEO, is a complete work of fiction.


http://www.aboutmcdonalds.com/mcd/ou..._thompson.html

user104658 01-06-2014 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 6888033)
http://www.aboutmcdonalds.com/mcd/ou..._thompson.html



He started Flipping Burgers
at McD
Ref: Bloomberg Docu

What are you linking to? Did you even read it yourself?

"During his 23 years at McDonald’s, Thompson has helped drive business results and global strategic innovation across the organization. Since joining as an electrical engineer in 1990, he has held a variety of key leadership positions within the company including Regional Vice President, Division President and Chief Operating Officer. Between 2006 and 2010, Thompson served as President of McDonald’s USA, the company’s largest business segment. Most recently as President and COO of McDonald’s Corporation"

He joined McDonald's as an engineer, a University graduate, nowhere near minimum wage. It says so on their own site. You just... Linked to it. He was not "flipping burgers"... He was probably on a six figure salary??

He was also at this point already fraternity. If you don't know what that means, then you're more naive than I'd given you credit for.

arista 01-06-2014 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 6888466)
What are you linking to? Did you even read it yourself?

"During his 23 years at McDonald’s, Thompson has helped drive business results and global strategic innovation across the organization. Since joining as an electrical engineer in 1990, he has held a variety of key leadership positions within the company including Regional Vice President, Division President and Chief Operating Officer. Between 2006 and 2010, Thompson served as President of McDonald’s USA, the company’s largest business segment. Most recently as President and COO of McDonald’s Corporation"

He joined McDonald's as an engineer, a University graduate, nowhere near minimum wage. It says so on their own site. You just... Linked to it. He was not "flipping burgers"... He was probably on a six figure salary??

He was also at this point already fraternity. If you don't know what that means, then you're more naive than I'd given you credit for.


Yes TS it was the former CEO
that started flipping burgers from the start
I am in Error.

Vicky. 01-06-2014 09:06 PM

This idea of doubling the wage though..its ridiculous. Imagine if they did that here and McDonalds workers and such ended up on £13 per hour...it would be one of the most popular jobs going :joker:

I think in service based min wage jobs, the workers should get a bonus depending on the profit of the company though. Quite like wetherspoons do. My sister was working all hours on min wage which seemed bad, BUT she got a bonus each month depending on how well her restaurant did

arista 01-06-2014 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 6888518)
This idea of doubling the wage though..its ridiculous. Imagine if they did that here and McDonalds workers and such ended up on £13 per hour...it would be one of the most popular jobs going :joker:


Yes America is Crazy

user104658 01-06-2014 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 6888518)
This idea of doubling the wage though..its ridiculous. Imagine if they did that here and McDonalds workers and such ended up on £13 per hour...it would be one of the most popular jobs going :joker:

I think in service based min wage jobs, the workers should get a bonus depending on the profit of the company though. Quite like wetherspoons do. My sister was working all hours on min wage which seemed bad, BUT she got a bonus each month depending on how well her restaurant did

Well, it would be pretty sought after if it was paying £13 an hour and the NMW was still £7ish. If ALL min-wage jobs were £13 on the other hand... I'd genuinely choose almost any other job over fast food service. In busy ones it looks truly horrendous.

Although, I'd rather do that than work for Aldi... they work their staff like dogs. I've literally never seen more miserable, frazzled looking staff, anywhere.

Vicky. 01-06-2014 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 6888589)
Well, it would be pretty sought after if it was paying £13 an hour and the NMW was still £7ish. If ALL min-wage jobs were £13 on the other hand... I'd genuinely choose almost any other job over fast food service. In busy ones it looks truly horrendous.

Although, I'd rather do that than work for Aldi... they work their staff like dogs. I've literally never seen more miserable, frazzled looking staff, anywhere.

Its not actually that bad. Before the mad hours and drug taking started I quite enjoyed it at times really. I worked in a busy restaurant and the shifts flew over because you never really stop.

Worst job I ever had was working in a calls centre. MUCH much worse than fast food.

user104658 01-06-2014 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 6888503)
Yes TS it was the former CEO
that started flipping burgers from the start
I am in Error.

That's fair enough.

However, I would add as a final thought... why do you think there was a documentary about him? It can only be because his story is interesting... and it can only be interesting because it is so uncommon. Very, very few people ever rise through the ranks of a company like that. McDonalds has potentially millions of entry level staff worldwide, and only a handful of top-level positions... the likelihood of achieving that sort of success as someone starting on the bottom rung, is tiny.

You might as well say "buying lottery tickets is thew way to go - someone has to win, right?".

Hard work can play a part but it's a relatively small one when it comes to progression within a company, SO much more of it is down to making the right friends and kissing the right arses, and even more of it is down to simply being in the right place at the right time when an opportunity arises to progress. In other words; dumb luck. The vast majority of enrty-level McDonalds staff will simply never progress much beyond minimum wage (maybe duty manager / assistant manager level... still doesn't pay very well) no matter how hard they work or how good they are at the job.

arista 01-06-2014 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 6888636)
That's fair enough.

However, I would add as a final thought... why do you think there was a documentary about him? It can only be because his story is interesting... and it can only be interesting because it is so uncommon. Very, very few people ever rise through the ranks of a company like that. McDonalds has potentially millions of entry level staff worldwide, and only a handful of top-level positions... the likelihood of achieving that sort of success as someone starting on the bottom rung, is tiny.

You might as well say "buying lottery tickets is thew way to go - someone has to win, right?".

Hard work can play a part but it's a relatively small one when it comes to progression within a company, SO much more of it is down to making the right friends and kissing the right arses, and even more of it is down to simply being in the right place at the right time when an opportunity arises to progress. In other words; dumb luck. The vast majority of enrty-level McDonalds staff will simply never progress much beyond minimum wage (maybe duty manager / assistant manager level... still doesn't pay very well) no matter how hard they work or how good they are at the job.

Yes but its a start.
No one has to stay at McD
but it makes you work hard
in other jobs,

Vicky. 01-06-2014 09:27 PM

My friend got promoted to supervisor about 4 months after starting work at BK. However the wage was exactly the same, the only difference was she got to sit in the office doing basically **** all gossiping with the other supervisors/managers while everyone else had to take on her workload :bored:

arista 01-06-2014 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 6888674)
My friend got promoted to supervisor about 4 months after starting work at BK. However the wage was exactly the same, the only difference was she got to sit in the office doing basically **** all gossiping with the other supervisors/managers while everyone else had to take on her workload :bored:


Sure
thats wrong of BK

Vicky. 01-06-2014 09:33 PM

Isn't that normal for managers/supervisors/etc? The higher up you get, the less work it actually is. Only usually you get paid more for doing less.

I swear if companies cut out the ridiculous amount of people getting paid loads for doing nothing, they could take on more staff/pay current staff much more.

user104658 01-06-2014 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 6888725)
Isn't that normal for managers/supervisors/etc? The higher up you get, the less work it actually is. Only usually you get paid more for doing less.

I swear if companies cut out the ridiculous amount of people getting paid loads for doing nothing, they could take on more staff/pay current staff much more.

It's very true, especially true the larger a company gets, as there are so many people in "supervisory" roles that no one notices when a large chunk of them are doing absolutely nothing at all. Worse than that; often the roles are poorly defined, and the people themselves in the roles don't really know exactly what they're supposed to be doing. So they just potter about trying to make themselves look busy, justifying their own position, whilst the people lower down get on with the actual work (and in truth, everything would tick along just fine without the supervisory roles).

The company I work for is constantly shifting its management structure and inventing new supervisory roles. Being "promoted" to one is employment suicide. A year later they realise - without fail - that they didn't need to create that role, but the positions that those people came from have already been filled with replacements, and so the poor sap who was "promoted" ends up in the dole queue as soon as their redundancy payment runs out.

This is quite typical of large companies these days. Things have changed massively in the last 5-to-10 years... and are certainly a long way from how things were back in the '70s when the example in the OP was climbing the ranks. The capitalist west was booming and America was genuinely full of opportunity and optimism. That is not 2014.

Nedusa 02-06-2014 09:53 AM

I am currently working as the CEO of a large Multi-National Company....but only until a good Fast Food job opens up.

I can't wait to start flippin burgers again, you never get tired of the smell of the grease in your clothes and hair.


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