Conor was worse than anyone in this series, how you can attack DS or Salman for having an opinion that everyone should have is beyond me.

I'm not sure really, I think bb13 because I stopped watching that and I haven't with this

Helen is nasty in her own right. Liking her just because you don't think she is as bad as Conor is just bizarre.

Well now you're attacking me for having my opinion... :unsure: no one should have to have the same opinion at all.

BB13 for the reasons given across this post.

This year is less personal, more general fireworks exploding in all directions. Plus they do all sit together and talk most days/evenings. That just didn't happen in BB13.

Worst element in any BB series ever was Conor towards Deana. i still shudder to think of it. How he walked off with 50k is the worst result possible. I'm still angry about it !

When was this?

wtf when did I even say that :conf: I was just trying to imply there's no double standards on my part

Helen's behaviour is the kind I find entertaining. Conor's behaviour is the type I don't because it's just too extreme and uncomfortable to watch. why is that so hard to understand

Considering Helen can just be as nasty as Conor with her name calling and aggression it kinda is hard to understand and comes across as double standards soz

I agree with those points made about Helen being able to step back and feel remorseful about her actions, she can be really nasty and vicious but there's been a few occasions where she's shown she can be sorry and treat people better than she has been (Jale during that shopping task, Danielle the other night). She just seems to go back to her old behaviour when she's had a drink

I don't think she's an awful person, just has some nasty traits that seem to emerge when she's drunk

nope
please refer to the posts from DS I shared.

Yeah and what is that supposed to prove? Conor picked out and abused a weaker person exactly like Helen does in the house :unsure:

If she was male you'd hate her, fact.

stop

that's not a fact at all. I made a thread yesterday supporting Ash?? and I made a huge post the other day when accused of double standards. please go find it.

Conor was a one of a kind unique bully and it was blatant racism too (another topic I made a huge post about, go find and read it before you try to dispute me on that). He is nothing like Helen. Helen's just a massive bitch.

Anyway I cba arguing with someone who went from loving a housemate to hating them and accusing them of bullying simply because they told other housemates what they heard over a wall. Of course you could never understand why I support Helen.

But why are you even comparing her to Conor anyway, just looks like you're trying to find a desperate reason to support your liking for a housemate who is clearly hated by comparing her to someone even more hated & lol if you're talking the Jale thing up again. I never called her a bully (wtf) and never went from liking her to hating her I just didn't agree with her argument so was on Chris's side in that scenario. Unlike you I can admit wrong in the people I support :)

Just incase anyone accuses me of double standards.
I can admit the wrong, I just don't immediately want them out when they slip up like everyone else seems to do.

Insiders vs Outsiders actually meant something.

It was two groups who had genuine nasty hate for each other, it was two groups who couldn't stand congregating on any given night.

This year doesn't have that all.

This thread gives a disservice to the factions of BB 2012.

The fact that I don't remember that many occasions where there was nastiness in BB13 confirms it that this one is more intense for me.

Well, your abysmal memory is your problem.

I stopped watching BB13 in week 3 or 4 and didn't watch any BB show since until the launch of this series. The last series I watched from launch to final was BB9. BB11 I watched from launch to final week but didn't watch final few days after it was rigged. I am hoping I make it through this whole series from launch to final. So far so good and watched every episode and every single clip off website. This house is TAME compared to other series.

BB13 was still being produced abysmally so I never watched it.

I wish it had been on Channel 4 as it sounds as if it was quite a good one in retrospect. I'd say BB6/7 rival this one though. 6 was full of bitching and egotism while 7 had producers put in a quite clearly mentally fragile man, only for him to be bullied by the rest of his housemates. It was captivating to watch but utterly nasty - and then some of those bullies went on to be beloved housemates of the series.

Yes BB15 has had bitching and arguments but wouldn't say it's been that nasty. BB13 was much nastier from what I remember (although I can imagine Helen would've been even worse in the company of the insiders).

I've recently started watching it for the first time since it originally aired and already loving it again after only the first three days (Victoria's eviction and Becky's arrival). Definitely my second favourite series of all time.:lovedup:

It was such an engrossing series. :thumbs:

BB13 was more personal

This.

I think people must have forgotten just how bad that house was, it's the worst I've ever seen and this year is nowhere near that.

I disagree with those saying that BB15 doesn't have the genuine "hate" between certain housemates, I think it certainly does. That said, I think BB13 was nastier.

I voted this years but it is bitchy to the point of being nauseating.
It has certainly proved that bitchy doesnt equal entertaining.