Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7030577)

Good points or not, Helen call out other people for stuff she does herself. What's more, she never sees herself as being in the wrong. She belittles and ridicules people, forgetting that she herself has constantly bitched about other housemates and said some pretty strong stuff. I know plenty of people on this forum have been bullied and I bet those who have can see in Helen something spitefully familiar. She's a nightmare.

Originally Posted by Verbal (Post 7030578)

Swearing is just the way some people talk, it's expression for the working classes. Where I live it is just part of the language used.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7030588)

I consider myself working class. I don't have a mouth like Helen and neither does anyone of my family. Having worked for the Tories, I can assure you that swearing is not the domain only of the working classes.

Originally Posted by Josy (Post 7030587)

Helen was calling Ashleigh out on her plan to get Ash evicted, as far as I know and as far as we have been shown Helen has never individually tried to orchestrate another housemates eviction.

I don't disagree she is a nightmare and belittles people etc that was the point of this thread really.

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 7030595)

Once you shout like she does youve lost the argument ,thats why Ashleigh came out the best in the row ,she kept her cool ,but got across what she needed to

Originally Posted by Josy (Post 7030587)

Helen was calling Ashleigh out on her plan to get Ash evicted, as far as I know and as far as we have been shown Helen has never individually tried to orchestrate another housemates eviction.

I don't disagree she is a nightmare and belittles people etc that was the point of this thread really.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7030584)

Well, I am sorry to hear that you went through that but do you not think there is more than one way to bully someone? Not everyone would be able to fight back in a face to face situation either and I think that's a pretty common way to bully a person also.

I disagree that what Ashleigh was doing is bullying, bitching about a person you don't like with your friend isn't bullying :shrug:

Originally Posted by Josy (Post 7030587)

Helen was calling Ashleigh out on her plan to get Ash evicted, as far as I know and as far as we have been shown Helen has never individually tried to orchestrate another housemates eviction.

I don't disagree she is a nightmare and belittles people etc that was the point of this thread really.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7030588)

I consider myself working class. I don't have a mouth like Helen and neither does anyone of my family. Having worked for the Tories, I can assure you that swearing is not the domain only of the working classes.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7030600)

Maybe Helen hasn't tried to orchestrate someone's departure but if she had the brains for it, she'd probably have given it a go. But then, everything else she's done kind of makes up for it.

I think it was a spiteful thing to do, showing Ashleigh's comments to someone like Helen. BB knew what would happen. I'm not a fan of Ashleigh, but I feel she's been victimised.

Originally Posted by Verbal (Post 7030601)

I've pointed out two ways of 'bullying' someone. The most honest and decent way is to approach the person you have a problem with and let them know it and (as the bully) deal with the consequences.

I also said neither is bullying

What they are both doing, is point scoring, at best. Nothing more.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7030628)

I don't think Helen is bullying Ashleigh but I do think she bullied Christopher and jale at the start. You may disagree with that but plenty of others agree with me :shrug:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7030628)

I don't think Helen is bullying Ashleigh but I do think she bullied Christopher and jale at the start. You may disagree with that but plenty of others agree with me :shrug:

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 7030595)

Once you shout like she does youve lost the argument ,thats why Ashleigh came out the best in the row ,she kept her cool ,but got across what she needed to

Originally Posted by Verbal (Post 7030653)

Also I have never said that swearing is the sole domain of the working classes. I said that it is for many, the only way they know how to express themselves and get their point across in an effective way.

Originally Posted by Verbal (Post 7030643)

Adults calling relatively intelligent adults (by which I mean they are not mentally deficient) silly names is not bullying.

It is low brow, pathetic and point scoring.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7030693)

It was bullying the way she had her gang cackling around her calling them names and isolating both jale and christopher

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7030695)

Now you know how we feel when you get your mod posse on us. :worry:

Originally Posted by Verbal (Post 7030719)

Was Helen at any point trying to intimidate these people and did she succeed? If so i'll agree with you. Also please provide examples, because I don't remember.

If not, it is just point scoring.

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 7030660)

What did she get across though Chuff?:shrug:she was sneaky and got caught out,well that's what I saw.

Originally Posted by Verbal (Post 7030609)

Where are you attending University again? Law you're studying aren't you? If you have worked for the Tories as well, you are not working class. Are you taking the piss?