Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot (Post 7080309)

4 really isn't that bad at all, for all the flak it gets. It's first month is actually Not Bad and then there are enough things to sustain some forward plot movement (the Africa swap, the trials and tribulations of Lisa Jeynes, etc.) It only falls flat in the last two weeks and the end game is atrocious when you're left to root for a Scott win (or a Ray win but I have opinions on that.) It is at least on par with 2, if not better than for the fact that there's actually some forward plot movement after Week 3 or so. People really need to let go of that nostalgia tbh.

And then 10 is literal garbage. The Marcus/Freddie/Siavash triumvirate is one of the worst ever, the Charlie/Rodrigo stuff is more tiring than anything, the first five weeks are a true non-BB12 low point of the franchise. I could go (and have gone) on and on. Hira and Lisa and David are everything, though.

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7080246)

I never said I didn't think it was the worst? :conf: Re-read my post.

I said, it's not a fact, it's an opinion. If someone else loves that series then they're not wrong either. How hard is that to understand?

Originally Posted by Raph (Post 7081271)

Thank you Marsh :worship:

Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 7081207)

I'll never understand why people blame BB8 for the downfall of Big Brother when it came literally 6 months after the race row, and the real reason everyone turned on the show.

Originally Posted by Me. I Am Salman (Post 7081884)

if BB4 didn't happen producers wouldn't have stepped up their game with BB5-7

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7081919)

When someone has an opinion that differs from your own. :idc:

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7081812)

The racism started the decline but a decent series would've done wonders. Regardless of the race row I think BB8 was the first atrocious series of BB.

It was certainly the first time at that point that I hated the show. Even during BB4 I found things to enjoy. :laugh:

Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 7082191)

I suppose it was inevitable after the good run of 5-7 (well, I would say 3-7, but apparently that's debatable :p) that there'd be a bit of a downturn but I don't remember BB8 being all that bad? I still remember it being covered by all sorts of media publications (the whole Chiggy thing was all over Heat magazine and the like, do they even cover BB any more?) and it had pretty decent ratings. I mean it was a solid 1m up on BB9, for starters. (3.8m average vs. 2.8m)

And in terms of housemates/entertainment... pretty much everyone delivered in that cast (except Kara-Louise, Liam (the proto-Winston) and Jonathan).

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot (Post 7082193)

KARA-LOUISE <333333333333

anyways, this whole notion of "omg you need to accept that people have different opinions" I think any opinion is valid if you can back it up? Sadly most posters here can't :(