I suppose you're right about the bottom part in particular, has Winston had a discussion on here in the past week?

Nope...off to bed...chat tomorrow. :wavey:

I just think with Helen that she's hot headed, I honestly think she's harmless compared to some contestants that we've had in the past.

Okay good night, I enjoyed reading your posts.

There certainly has been worse...

As kaz said I would say helen is more vocal and ashleigh a whisperer, but ultimately they're quite similar in the bitchy stakes.

Yeah Conor and Chanelle Hayes spring to mind for me.

If you exclude sleeping with married men for money than yeah I am sure she is a perfectly lovely person in the outside world.

Thanks for giving your perception of Helen and Ashleigh, Kazanne. For myself, I could never like someone who tries to degrade and humiliate other people openly on a public TV show and who is warned for bullying. NEVER. A person who picks on those who she perceives as weaker than herself and has done plenty of talking behind peoples backs. A person who lies their way out of being caught out and then cries to get sympathy from the person (Steven) who they have not admitted they have hurt. A person who then says in the DR they don't regret saying what they did. An immoral, nasty bully called Helen.

Ashleigh, on the other hand, has bitched, yes. But WHO has she bitched about and tried to overcome - the ones who bully and are cruel to others, NEVER the nice HM's.

Ashleigh is a big fave with the forums and the public. If she is worse than Helen, as you think, why do you think the majority prefer her?

She probably did that profession to put food on the table for her family, we have no idea what circumstances she was put under and Rooney was the worst in that scenario as he was the married person in the affair.

That is it in a nutshell! :clap1::clap1::clap1:

Helen and Ashleigh fans need to take away their personal dislike for each others favourite Housemate and team up together as they've been two of the three biggest characters of the series, almost every discussion is about them, Ash, and Steven, these out of the ones left are holding this week together and the series to a lot of people, it's certainly not been Pav, Mark, Zoe, or Winston that's for sure.

What's that got to do with it?

All we hear nowadays from certain posters is that we need to judge people on their merits in the house and in the same breath they crucify Helen for her life outside. I think her haters are grasping at straws and its easy to slag off a persona in favour of their fav. Helen has made the series this year for all the wrong reason but her bitchiness has nowhere come up to the level of deceptive behaviour other HM's have shown. So in closing, the show has bitches, gamers and scammers. I hate the later 2 but some people are fixated on hating someone so much, it clouds their judgements and different weapons get used and fights break out. Its only a bloody game and if helen wasn't there we would all be saying Its bloody boring and why doesent BB do something bla bla bla.

Yes they are both bitchy.

Helen's disliked for more than being bitchy though. She's nastier, and attacks peoples physical appearance. She's also aggressive and threatening.

I will always give credit to a loud bitcher as opposed to a behind the back silent bitcher. one is a dick, the other is nasty.

What makes me annoyed are those who support Helen by saying she has changed and is entertaining.

She has not changed, she is the first in line challenging others supposed misdeeds, yet when they turned the tables, she denied it, cried, grudgingly admitted it when she couldn't wriggle out of it but didn't regret it.

As for the entertaining, she only entertains by shouting and humiliating others, I cringe for her opponents when she is in full flow. Her self awareness is missing re the tramp name calling, it takes one to know one, eh Helen? It is unbelievable that she of all people played the morality card.

Her consistent moaning in her foghorn loud hard sounding voice brings the mood down in the house as people tiptoe around her. Her using the c word at times when it is not applicable, especially when it is aimed at other housemates and her constant sticking up for Ash when he is a grown man is about as far from being entertaining as possible.

I hope BB shows more of her when she demeans others, Ashleigh for one has suffered greatly from her far from accurate and contrived character assassinations, couldn't be jealousy could it, for a young girl who is cleverly playing the game to the hilt is beautiful without resorting to the surgeons knife and can stand up to Helens ever present malevolence.

Even if they are aggressive, attack people's physical appearance and get multiple warnings for bullying behaviour? That's way more than being a dick.

Please pass my posts bye this morning, you are being obvious.

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You're allowed to reply to my posts but i'm not allowed to reply back?

So ashleigh and danielle didn't regularly refer to helen as a tramp, slut, vile, disgusting and many other colourful adjectives? Considering they're not privvy to the info we have that's very mean.

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Why she of all people play the morality card?
In what way has Ashleigh suffered greatly? Apart from her been shown bitching and Helen/Kim calling her on it. i cant recall another time when Helen has said anything to her.

Plus Ashleigh and Danielle have attacked Kim's and Helen's physical appearances.

Do as you want but I get the last word.