Yeah, its scary stuff. Watch a documentary called "What on Earth Are They Spraying". Its superb and very well put together.

I watched it. :joker:

Cool! I have a facebook group called UKFM (UK Freedom Movement). Check us out, you're more than welcome to join.

Its just a group of people that have decided to start thinking for themselves, and have realized the world isn't how its portrayed on the mainstream media.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ukfreedommovement/

Nice to see a fairly open discussion without too many thralls deciding to fog the discussion with their emotional attachment to power structures.

Fact is, however, that this discussion doesn't really point in quite the right direction. The problem here is that people obsess over the occult and conspiratorial side of the political spectrum, without any way of truly knowing or verifying their claims. Furthermore, it is almost impossible to sway people with the 'argument from conspiracy'. It just triggers too many conditioned negative responses.

Have a try with looking at it all from a different angle, whoever's reading this:
I assume you would agree that using violence against somebody is wrong, yes? Ok in self defence, sure, but not in an offensive capacity.

Now, if someone were to come to your door or send you a letter and demand that you hand over a large sum of money to them or they will kidnap you and place you in a small cage-like room; and worse yet shoot you if you resist against them as intruders when they come to take you away... This would obviously be an egregious crime. Oh yeah, this same criminal syndicate also stole 12 years of your childhood for the purpose of propagandising you so that you approve of what they do. Oh. And they sent thousands of people to kill thousands-millions of other people in another part of the world... Which they used your stolen livelihood to fund.

Beginning to sound familiar?
Government is an institution which reserves the right to use force against its subjects and desecrate their property rights within a geographical area.

As some guy once said... "When your ideology is threatened by non violence, then there's something wrong with it."

To answer yes to the questions I asked and to recoil from the subsequent observations is to be hypocritical, and lack integrity. Nothing wrong with that per se, but it should be recognised.

Conspiracies are unnecessary because
1: They are impossible to prove
2: They hold too much stigma to help
3: All speculative groups and cults require the gun of the government, without which they are absolutely nothing and could not exist. The 'illuminati' if they exist are nothing more than psychopathic freeriders on the armoured saddle of the state. Take away that big stallion and all the spikey armour and all you're left with a bunch of pathetic frail old men with a weird hobby.

So, if you find conspiracies are leading you down a sort of never-ending rabbit hole and making you feel very hostile about the world and not sure what to believe, drop them and go for the logical arguments of philosophy. The morality we mostly base our lives around is the ultimate scientific expression of philosophy and some of the greatest thinkers the world over.

You have very little 'right' to claim that everybody else here is wrong based on their lack of empirical evidence because you have just admitted that you believe in one of the least empirical mythologies ever fabricated.

I'm actually genuinely interested in an explanation of how the mainstream media tells people how to think. I do think certainly in America that the News Companys are swayed by which political sides they support but usually people choose which broadcaster to watch due to them sharing that opinion.

How does the media miss-portray the world? Is Gazza/Isreal and Ukraine/Russia made up? Im not asking this as a smart-arse question btw.

Anyway back on topic, No its not unusual that they're talking about it, its frequently discussed in real life by people and they have been in the 8 weeks so I'm sure they're actually struggling to find topics. Trust me if the Illuminati is true I really doubt they would bother with Winston of all people.

Btw I just remembered, when Mike Sorrentino did CBB a while back, his cover photo on his facebook profile changed to the eye and all the ******* started banging on about how this "mystical eye" is a sign of the Illuminati

There is little doubt that the world is controlled by the few.

Some reckon the planet is basically controlled by about 30 or so families. You can use whatever label you want. Illuminati is as good as any, although they certainly don't call themselves that.

It's a convenient label. That's all. :)

There is a way of looking at it which I quite like:
> The media exists either through the funding of a: advertisers or b: the state.
> if a; the MSM will simply appeal to what it knows will get the most views, that is to say that it will be a platform for a generally mindless approach to the truth, one which is pro-coercion, pro government, dumbed-down, and keeps people in their emotionally comfortable armchairs. It may also align with special interest groups.
> if b; then there will obviously be a bias toward the government of that area.

If you want a blunt video that gets straight to the point, here is one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF5tAxAmC_M
I will warn, there is a very graphic image or two toward the end. I recommend not looking but listening for the last part.

Yep, no need to do any 'reckoning' though whatsoever. It is patently clear that the world has been run by various states for thousands of years. The true evil's hidden in such plain sight it's painful when one realises they didn't see it before.

99% of the wealth is not held by 1% of the population. That was a lie told by Occupy morons with absolutely NO truth to it.

It will be shortly it's headed that way, we're on the road to an oligarchy.

The funny thing is everything David Icke says is more likely the truth rather then any ****ed up man-made business model religion out there.:joker:

its an open conspiracy. nice to see the producers actually show a brief chat about something other than nominations and bitching. briefly reminded me of the glory days of big brother and UK in general when people actually had conversations