Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7158283)

I thought the task was really heartless as she's more or less been put on trial by the public and the press over the rooney thing. It is bias they want to create drama and this was a way to do it it was totally unfair.
'It's always me' yes it is, getting 100% blame for that idiots infidelity and for creating the divide when it was clear ashleigh just disliked helen from the get go.

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7158287)

Exactly. Even on night 1 Danielle was talking behind Helen's back about "seeing problems" creating negativity and who did she befriend? Ashleigh.

Originally Posted by kefln (Post 7158300)

Was that the same night that Helen and Tamara hid in the toilet and started calling Jale "Slugworth" based solely on her appearance? And the night that Pauline saw Chris's VT, in which he was clearly joking around, and she told everyone that he was going to piss in the kitchen. Which led to the most awkward looking for a bed scene ever.

So creating negativity, who did it best?

Originally Posted by kefln (Post 7158300)

Was that the same night that Helen and Tamara hid in the toilet and started calling Jale "Slugworth" based solely on her appearance? And the night that Pauline saw Chris's VT, in which he was clearly joking around, and she told everyone that he was going to piss in the kitchen. Which led to the most awkward looking for a bed scene ever.

So creating negativity, who did it best?

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7158304)

Bless, because I said Helen was blameless didn't I? Don't jump to conclusions dear.

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7158304)

Slugsworth didn't happen until later in week 2 but no matter.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7158306)

Pauline without a doubt.

Originally Posted by kefln (Post 7158354)

And I'd agree. Pauline was a total nightmare of an individual.

Originally Posted by kefln (Post 7158353)

Actually Helen came up with the name Slugsworth on June 7th, with Tamara in the toilet. But why let facts get in the way?

And in case you need reminding, in the toilet, after slating Chris, calling him a dick and wanting him to ****** off, based solely on what Pauline had reported about the VT's. Helen said that she liked everyone else, and to quote "apart from the slug, slugsworth, can that be our own private nickname?".

And we are back to creating negativity, something that you said was an issue.

Originally Posted by kefln (Post 7158353)

Thats sweet...dropping Daneille and Ashleigh together, along with the words "night 1" and "creating negativity"...and when someone comes along and points out they were all at it...

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7158466)

Responding to someone else's point about something else entirely. But you can't handle it so let's drag a load of other people into it. Yes, they were negative, does that somehow mean Ashleigh and Danielle weren't? No.

My main point is that Danielle and Ashleigh didn't need any encouraging before they immediately put a divide/wall between themselves and Helen, Danielle doing it within minutes. Helen/Pauline/Jale/Chris has zero to do with it.

But then she's come out and admitted to a fully fledged game plan so we know it for a fact anyway.

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7158466)

Because when a discussion is based on a particular topic/person, I stick to it. I don't feel the need to constantly drag other things into it.

Whether Helen, Pauline or bloody Tamara were being negative doesn't change the point about Danielle and Ashleigh.

Originally Posted by kefln (Post 7158554)

And I could say that you can't handle when some brings up a point contrary to your own. Its easily said.

You put Danielle and Ashleigh into a statement about "creating negativity" on day one. What you completely failed to mention was that the conversation that Daneille had was about Tamara, that she had a sixth sense that they weren't going to get on. Something that she admitted was based on first impressions. And she had this conversation with Matthew after he asked her if there was anyone she didn't like from their initial meetings. This was part of a larger conversation where they were discussing Pauline having to make snap judgements on people based on VT's, and how difficult that would be.

Ashleigh had nothing to do with that conversation. You chose to make that link. Daneille's point wasn't made maliciously, it was part of a conversation and she was answering a question, based on how you would chose to punish and reward someone after just meeting them.


In response to your misleading points and connections, I brought up actual conversations that created negativity, both those aren't what you want to talk about.

If you want to talk about creating negativity in the house at least try to find actual examples, instead of making tenuous links, based on half facts.

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7158632)

Oh dear, like a dog with a bone.

Your points were irrelevant to the discussion you joined in with. Accept it and move on.

Originally Posted by Vanessa (Post 7158065)

I disagree. She admits her faults and always says sorry when she does wrong.

Originally Posted by kefln (Post 7158711)

Aaawww...Its hard when people refute made up points with detailed facts isn't it? Easier to dismiss them...call them irrelevant...

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7158766)

Responding to "Danielle was negative" with "Helen is negative too" isn't refuting made up points, it's derailing what was said. Helen being negative has no effect on the point I was making about Danielle.

But continue to derail.

Originally Posted by kefln (Post 7158778)

I'm sorry, but making things up about Danielle, taking a conversation out of context, changing who the conversation was about and linking it to someone that wasn't there, is derailing.

If you can't stick to events that actually happened and need to make stuff up to prove a point, then the debate has no meaning.

Originally Posted by Vanessa (Post 7157999)

I loved it last night. I have been waiting for her to show her nicer side in ages! I have noticed the comments on facebook gradually warming. Now there are Helen fans there and i never thought it would happen! BOTS audience also liking her. Why do you think the tide is turning? She was the most hated housemate not long ago, but most people actually quite like her now.

Originally Posted by kefln (Post 7158778)

I'm sorry, but making things up about Danielle, taking a conversation out of context, changing who the conversation was about and linking it to someone that wasn't there, is derailing.

If you can't stick to events that actually happened and need to make stuff up to prove a point, then the debate has no meaning.

Originally Posted by LiamPRW (Post 7158784)

It's pretty common knowledge that Danielle was a miserable ballsack the entire time she was there.. apart from the time that she was creeping on Winston :idc:

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7158796)

Yeah, I completely made that up. :rolleyes: Danielle wasn't negative at all.

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7158287)

Exactly. Even on night 1 Danielle was talking behind Helen's back about "seeing problems" creating negativity and who did she befriend? Ashleigh.

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7158796)

She didn't spend the first week isolating herself and anyone she could ensnare whining with her fake offence at bad language and sex. Which she's admitted to as her game plan so is proving my point.

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7158796)

Who caused Helen's first outburst? Oh yeah, Danielle calling the girls slags. I imagined that too. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by kefln (Post 7158804)

My statement was a direct reply to Marsh's, saying that Danielle was talking behind Helen's back on day one, spreading negativity, and that it relates to Ashleigh.

Originally Posted by kefln (Post 7158815)

Derailing...as you would put it...