Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 7210035)

I do also wish that more people would consider adoption as an option. People often quote the "over-stretched care system" as a reason not to, but that is in fact only because of older children entering care. There is a HUGE demand (from infertile and same-sex couples) for adoption of newborn babies. I've heard people argue against it saying that it isn't fair because of how hard it would be for the mother to give up the child but... wtf? When the alternative is just killing it in the womb? Ummmm...

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7210039)

pretty sure? you havent got aclue what your etalking about , tens of thousands of women complain they felt pressured and rushed into having abortions and felt that no one took the time to explain all the other options available. the pressure can come from the medical staff, the her parents, her family, her partner , her new partner etc etc vast numbers of women regret it forever, so too do many fathers

Originally Posted by Ninastar (Post 7209915)

IMO it's totally wrong... I think there's a disgusting 'idea' if you will, that if people have unprotected sex, they thing 'well if worse comes to the worse, abortion'. I think people dont realise how wrong it is in most cases. It's so easy to get an abortion here, i know quite a few girls that have. and I personally think it's wrong.

However, I do think it's it's just as wrong to 'force' someone to have that baby. I guess I'd rather people 'abort' their unwanted baby, than raise a baby they never wanted.

I just wish these people who wanted to abort their babies would give adoption a thought. It rarely happens in this country and I think it's such a shame. I think a hell of a lot more needs to be done. My worst hate in the world is bad parents. Some people just shouldn't be them... I find that in most cases, the parents are the worst are ones who didn't plan on having them/hardly even like kids. I just wish they'd realise that kids aren't just something you can raise with having no clue about. You have to care about them and do everything you can for them... Anyway, that's going OT...

Too long didnt read - I don't really believe in it, but I think it's better than allowing people who might not handle being a parent, become a parent.

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 7210043)

I'm not sure the argument against it is quite that it would be hard to give up the child...more along the lines of hard to go through 9 months of pregnancy (from my experience that is NOT easy at all) and then labour, and then to give the child up. I know we are more medically advanced today too but there is also still risks involved with labour and birth. I very nearly needed a blood transfusion with my latest child :S

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 7210035)

I do also wish that more people would consider adoption as an option. People often quote the "over-stretched care system" as a reason not to, but that is in fact only because of older children entering care. There is a HUGE demand (from infertile and same-sex couples) for adoption of newborn babies. I've heard people argue against it saying that it isn't fair because of how hard it would be for the mother to give up the child but... wtf? When the alternative is just killing it in the womb? Ummmm...

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 7210061)

A vast amount of the risk is BECAUSE of medical advancement, but that's another debate entirely :joker:. Anyway, I do understand that pregnancy takes a massive and permanent toll on the body, and I'm by no means saying that adoption should be a default. Just that I don't think many people even actually put any real thought into it. I don't think it's properly SUGGESTED as an alternative, to those who do feel strong enough to carry on with the pregnancy but don't feel able to care for a child. I don't think it's explained that a newborn being adopted into a good home is all but a certainty, and many think that the child would "just go into care". Basically, I think that anyone going to their GP to discuss an abortion should be given literature on adoption to read before they come to a final decision... but, they're not. In fact, very few questions are asked at all.

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7210044)

exactly, killing the baby is the cowards way out in a society that lacks the care , patience and compassion to simply build a better system that makes it easier for parents to have children and foster or adopt them where necessary. adoption is evil unless in cases of rape of serious health risks

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 7210035)

I do also wish that more people would consider adoption as an option. People often quote the "over-stretched care system" as a reason not to, but that is in fact only because of older children entering care. There is a HUGE demand (from infertile and same-sex couples) for adoption of newborn babies. I've heard people argue against it saying that it isn't fair because of how hard it would be for the mother to give up the child but... wtf? When the alternative is just killing it in the womb? Ummmm...

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 7210059)

I'm not sure people are rushed into abortions, however the proper care is definitely not there.

Against my original judgement (I have written about this before on here anyway), here goes. I had an abortion at 15/16 years old after being spiked and ending up pregnant. I wrote a lengthy post about it a few years back but from what I remember it was quite graphic explaining exactly what happens exactly in an early abortion, so its pretty grim so I wont dig it up. However, long story short..I was told I would get to see a psychiatrist person to make sure I was making the decision for the right reasons and stuff before taking the first tablet. The day I went, the psychiatrist was off work..but they still went ahead and gave me the tablet anyway. I never felt rushed into making the decision, and also it was a surprisingly long process given that its best doing it earlier in the pregnancy. Took about 2/3 weeks overall as 2 doctors had to agree and stuff.

Edit. Actually http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...8&postcount=75

Do not click that link if you are easily upset, especially in matters like this as it is quite graphic for on here.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7210529)

It's for reasons like this it's impossible to ever make a decision either way, no 2 scenarios are ever identical and I would never judge anyone for doing what is right for them.
I think that the situation as it is in Ireland is draconian.

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth (Post 7210048)

Abortions for everybody!!! *point point*
http://i.imgur.com/5d61LHK.gif


Yay abortions!!
http://i.imgur.com/9FxkwFq.gif

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7210018)

spoken like a truly ignorant person who doesnt care about the mass murder of millions of healthy babies, in addition to the pressure put on women to have abortions and the lack of time taken to offer them and the fathers time , counselling and support to show them all the options open to them, including adoption, shame on you:nono:

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 7210817)

Shame on you for your wilfull ignorance and your continued misogyny. Once again, Embryos are not babies, they are a collection of non-sentient cells. They are about as close to being a baby as your fingernails are. Calling them babies just makes you sound like a fool.

Stop trying to sound like you care about the women in these situations, we all know that you don't. You have no understanding of this situation and it's obvious by how blindingly moronic your posts are.

Originally Posted by Anaesthesia (Post 7209935)

I am an adoptee, so I guess I'm glad my mother didn't believe it was the right thing to do!

Saying that, I am 100% pro-choice, with more or less the provisos Livia has already expressed.

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 7210059)

I'm not sure people are rushed into abortions, however the proper care is definitely not there.

Against my original judgement (I have written about this before on here anyway), here goes. I had an abortion at 15/16 years old after being spiked and ending up pregnant. I wrote a lengthy post about it a few years back but from what I remember it was quite graphic explaining exactly what happens exactly in an early abortion, so its pretty grim so I wont dig it up. However, long story short..I was told I would get to see a psychiatrist person to make sure I was making the decision for the right reasons and stuff before taking the first tablet. The day I went, the psychiatrist was off work..but they still went ahead and gave me the tablet anyway. I never felt rushed into making the decision, and also it was a surprisingly long process given that its best doing it earlier in the pregnancy. Took about 2/3 weeks overall as 2 doctors had to agree and stuff.

Edit. Actually http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...8&postcount=75

Do not click that link if you are easily upset, especially in matters like this as it is quite graphic for on here.

Originally Posted by Braden (Post 7210054)

I don't think it's right per se, but there are circumstances where abortion is a rationalised thing to do (like most people have said, rape is one of them).

I think it comes down to the whole "who am I to tell someone what is right and wrong", if someone wants an abortion I would uncomfortable with even suggesting that they're wrong to do so.

Originally Posted by LiamPRW (Post 7210052)

Please don't tell me i don't know what I'm talking about, that is beyond patronizing.
Yes, some people may live to regret it and some may feel pressurized by people to go through with an abortion, but that doesn't mean that it's a bad thing over all, some woman have abortions early on in their teenage years because they wouldn't be able to cope with a baby or they weren't supported by their family or the father, or they weren't financially stable, but in the future turn their life around and find that they could have dealt with keeping the baby.. but most of the time when someone has an abortion, at that time it would have been the right thing to do, for the woman and for the sake of the child that could have been.