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sampvt 11-01-2015 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Firewire (Post 7468562)
A homophobe is someone who discriminates against someone who is attracted to someone of the same sex. Calling someone a homophobe for being homophobic is not an offensive term. I completely understand people do not share the same views, but do not say that being racist and calling someone homophobic is even remotely similar.
So you do agree that calling someone a Homophobe when they have never said anything against gays, is wrong then. Good....so can you now please show me evidence of when ken was homophobic. He was racist and misogynistic maybe, but I cant find anything he said against gays. maybe \I am wrong but I do watch the program all the time.

Firewire 11-01-2015 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by sampvt (Post 7468579)
So you do agree that calling someone a Homophobe when they have never said anything against gays, is wrong then. Good....so can you now please show me evidence of when ken was homophobic. He was racist and misogynistic maybe, but I cant find anything he said against gays. maybe \I am wrong but I do watch the program all the time.
It is wrong, you can't brand someone something they're not. That's slander. I didn't say he was homophobic.

sampvt 11-01-2015 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Firewire (Post 7468586)
It is wrong, you can't brand someone something they're not. That's slander. I didn't say he was homophobic.
FFS read the posts....I was referring to PEREZ calling KEN a homophobe when he said nothing derogatory against gays.

Firewire 11-01-2015 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by sampvt (Post 7468593)
FFS read the posts....I was referring to PEREZ calling KEN a homophobe when he said nothing derogatory against gays.
I know. I was agreeing with you. Ken wasn't homophobic. I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here?

sampvt 11-01-2015 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Firewire (Post 7468504)
Calling someone homophobic is no where near on the same level as calling someone "negro"
I was referring to this post where you say homophobe and Negro are not the same. My point is that they are if the homophobic comment is aimed at someone NOT GUILTY of saying it. TBH, there is way too much going on this morning for my little head to get things right.

Firewire 11-01-2015 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by sampvt (Post 7468622)
I was referring to this post where you say homophobe and Negro are not the same. My point is that they are if the homophobic comment is aimed at someone NOT GUILTY of saying it. TBH, there is way too much going on this morning for my little head to get things right.
Perez shouldn't have called Ken a homophobe. He was completely trying to turn the situation around and make himself a victim.

Ken calling Alexander "negro" is much worse than the above though. Perez shouldn't have got involved.

Northern Monkey 11-01-2015 12:37 PM
Ken is trying to get kicked.I think in his day negro was a normal word but he knows it can be seen as offensive now.He did'nt just say 'negro' he said 'fat negro' he was being insulting on purpose because he wants out,He said as much earlier in the day.He'll be gone before long.Shame really because i don't want the series to die a death in the second week.

Vicky. 11-01-2015 12:45 PM
I was quite surprised he just got a warning. However I feel Emily was kicked out not so much because of what she said, but because Charley made a massive fuss over it for hours afterwards. Both were wrong in saying what they said but the way the receiving person takes it plays a part I think

daniel-lewis-1985 11-01-2015 12:52 PM
I think BB really base their decision regarding removing a housemate by seeing how the person on the other end of the insulting comment reacts.

If Alexander had become upset and confrontational I have no doubt BB would have removed Ken.

Like with Jeremy I also think if the other housemates didn't act so outraged Jeremy would still be there but they couldn't risk keeping him in when other housemates were upset and saying he should leave.

Northern Monkey 11-01-2015 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 7468644)
I was quite surprised he just got a warning. However I feel Emily was kicked out not so much because of what she said, but because Charley made a massive fuss over it for hours afterwards. Both were wrong in saying what they said but the way the receiving person takes it plays a part I think
That is a good point.Same as the Jeremy situation.If Chloe had just said 'that's not ok' and left it at that so Jeremy knew where he stood and not touched her robe again then he would never have been kicked(well Perez did'nt help).But you are right that it is partly about how much fuss is made about it.

Northern Monkey 11-01-2015 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985 (Post 7468664)
I think BB really base their decision regarding removing a housemate by seeing how the person on the other end of the insulting comment reacts.

If Alexander had become upset and confrontational I have no doubt BB would have removed Ken.

Like with Jeremy I also think if the other housemates didn't act so outraged Jeremy would still be there but they couldn't risk keeping him in when other housemates were upset and saying he should leave.
Yes exactly this.

Denver 11-01-2015 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985 (Post 7468664)
I think BB really base their decision regarding removing a housemate by seeing how the person on the other end of the insulting comment reacts.

If Alexander had become upset and confrontational I have no doubt BB would have removed Ken.

Like with Jeremy I also think if the other housemates didn't act so outraged Jeremy would still be there but they couldn't risk keeping him in when other housemates were upset and saying he should leave.
This basically i reckon Jeremy and Chloe would of sorted it out themeselves the following day but with Perez claiming he is unsafe ( although all housemates said he overreacting) led to his removal

Dash Darington 11-01-2015 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7468570)
I think Ken is trying to get himself ejected, would he still get his fee if he was?
This is a good question. I suspect he'd get some agreed upon portion of it, as defined by his contract. I doubt he'd get the full amount, as that would result in more people getting deliberately ejected to get a quick fee.

I think his real aim is to get voted out, not ejected.

Crimson Dynamo 11-01-2015 01:10 PM
there is no way ken is THAT stupid

"I know I will be racist.."

no

sampvt 11-01-2015 01:14 PM
If truth be known, Ken has very little going for him so to play the panto villain is his gimmick, problem is, he does not have a defined gameplan that is well thought out. He needs to take a step back and re assign his prioritise into a better gameplan. There are voters out there that will follow him for being deliberately disruptive, but the fine line has been crossed and he needs a re think.

lily. 11-01-2015 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 7468644)
I was quite surprised he just got a warning. However I feel Emily was kicked out not so much because of what she said, but because Charley made a massive fuss over it for hours afterwards. Both were wrong in saying what they said but the way the receiving person takes it plays a part I think
Good point Vicky.

Alexander handled it in a calm, mature manner.

GiRTh 11-01-2015 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 7468508)
Really? Because I can't seem to find anything about these organisations
Just about to post this. These places have not existed for a few decades .

MB. 11-01-2015 06:42 PM
Yeah, in regards to the Emily/Ken comparison, people should remember that in most cases, an ejection isn't just a punishment for the person, but it's often to keep the other person safe or comfortable. Alexander seemed fairly fine with Ken's comments, but Chloe seemed quite distressed by what happened and it it might have made her feel uncomfortable if Jeremy'd stayed in. Similar to Charley/Emily.

GiRTh 11-01-2015 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by sampvt (Post 7468523)
Copied from Wikipedia........


quote.......The term "Negro" is still used in some historical contexts, such as in the name of the United Negro College Fund[7][8] and the Negro league in sports.

The United States Census Bureau announced that "Negro" would be included on the 2010 United States Census, alongside "Black" and "African-American", because some older black Americans still self-identify with the term.[9][10][11]

Unquote....the other things I found are also there but this should suffice.
It doesnt exist and as for you earlier post, the reason whites were not allowed is simply cuz blacks weren't allowe in the Major leagues. But we're talking 40-50 years ago at least as is your MLK reference.

GiRTh 11-01-2015 06:47 PM
I wasn't surprised Ken wasn't removed but it was more due to Alexanders reaction than anything else. For me when he called Alexander a 'good lad was worse and the pickaniny comment was frankly disgusting. I was shaking my head when he said that but not so much at the Negro comment. T

sampvt 11-01-2015 06:48 PM
There are 2 current ones on here and loads more if you search the word negro for long enough.

http://www.diversitybestpractices.co...-you-need-know

Vicky. 11-01-2015 06:48 PM
I have never heard the word pickaninny before in my life

GiRTh 11-01-2015 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by sampvt (Post 7470075)
There are 2 current ones on here and loads more if you search the word negro for long enough.

http://www.diversitybestpractices.co...-you-need-know
But the two you mentioned in your first post were completely in your head? OK I get it now. :thumbs:

GiRTh 11-01-2015 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 7470077)
I have never heard the word pickaninny before in my life
Its another very very old fashioned word. Ken shows his age with that one.

Niamh. 11-01-2015 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 7470077)
I have never heard the word pickaninny before in my life

Me neither

But yeah, so much respect for Alexander, what a gentleman he is, he handled it with so much class and dignity when he would have been well within his rights to kick off


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