ik, I'm saying that if for any reason I did call myself a feminist, it would be over the way things are in other places, rather than what they are like here. But if feminism really is gender equality, then yeah, I'd say i was

I agree, I totally think she should have been given a long sentence for that. I actually know a woman like that who needs locked away for good. She keeps getting custody of her kids when she is truly awful. So yeah, we see eye to eye on that. I just didn't think modern day 'feminists' believed that. It's nice to see that all the feminsts on here arent bat **** crazy. My cousin is like that. She blames men for everything and I just cringe with everything she says. I dont think she realises that she does more damage than good.

Yeah, thats why i put the other definitions in the OP, it's just misandry masquerading as feminism

I'm glad you did, it's nice to learn something good :love:

Sadly though, I think in the "internet generation" the term has been hijacked to the extent that it is now quite toxic and in some situations, almost interchangeable with misandry. In my opinion, the entire concept of seeking equality for the sexes under the banner of either sex is sort of missing the point. Yes, women have historically been more oppressed than men, however, it would also be true to say that there are many modern examples of men "coming off worse" in terms of sexism:

Many young women have the mistaken impression that it is "OK" for a female to hit a male but "shocking" for a male to hit a female. It's not surprising that they have this impression, just look at Hollywood and "romcom" style films... you will frequently see women slapping men across the face being played "for laughs", and the implication is usually that he's done something to "deserve it". So the female star belts him one and walks off looking self-righteous and the male is left there obviously "ashamed" by his terrible actions and "accepting" that he deserved a slap. Now, turn that on it's head and have the male character whack the female across the chops. All of a sudden it becomes a dark tale of abuse, and people would be walking out of the cinema in protest.

Of course the reality is that it's not "OK" for EITHER partner in a relationship to be smacking the other around. Ever.

So, essentially what I'm saying is, regardless of history there are CURRENTLY, in the western world, negative inequalities on both sides that need to be tackled. I'm just not convinced at all that it can be done properly without the terminology being changed to be as it should be if it's to be truly equal: i.e. gender-blind.

I have no problem with people flying the banner of feminism on behalf of areas of the world where women are still genuinely oppressed in the most basic of ways. I just think that what needs to be focused on here at home to find equality is at this point, is actual equality, common ground, rather than an inherent suggestion that it's just women who need protecting / elevating in order to achieve equality.

Not least because there is currently a massive anti-feminist backlash in many areas, and part of that is down to men all too often feeling villainised and therefore becoming defensive. Is it a bit stupid that they do become defensive and lash out? Of course, but unfortunately "stupidity" and "ego" are huge parts of the human condition... so, I don't think it matters that it's stupid. All that matters is moving forward... the term "feminism" feels loaded, and what it's actually come to represent is NOT the definition in the OP. I think the quest for equality is going to be somewhat "stuck in a rut" until the language of equality becomes neutral.

Feminism has always been about achieving equal rights.

And the media presenting feminism as something radical and militant is a common tactic. It's been used many times in the past and it will be continued to be used because it's so effective. Recently there have been a spate of women displaying signing saying how they don't need feminism for one reason or another. In reality they didn't know what feminism was before they denounced it.

Yes to being a feminist.
But I am no bra burner.

Some extreme 'feminists' have unfortunately ruined the terminology for the moderate majority.Also,As TS said in his excellent post above.If equality for both men and women is to ever truly be acheived then a new term which includes both sexes needs to be used instead.Sexism works both ways.The word 'feminist' implies that it only includes women which is a total contradiction to equality.Something along the lines of 'equalist' or 'gender equalist' would be less contradictary.
So no i am not a 'feminist' i am an equalist.

See, this is how I feel.

But yes, either way I believe in equality.

There's a few 'feminists' on my facebook. Always posting pedantic nonsense that makes Men fit into their narrow world view. What's worse is they try pass it off as being intelligent, cultured and worldly. Most Feminists these days strike me as Middle Class rich kids who want to 'belong'. If it wasn't Feminism they were screaming at us they'd no doubt be a member of UAF or Greenpeace

I'm down for equality of course.

If they changed the whole "Feminism" fight to something like "Equality" then I'm sure there would be many more supporters tbh. I'm down for equality even though the name Feminism suggests that it is only Women that suffer from inequality and that there are none whatsoever vice versa.

feminism is a disgusting evil poison that is destroying western society. where we see abuse anywhere in the world of men or women or boys or girls or animals we should all act and seek to stamp it out. but to seek to help one gender over another is vile...its elad to discrimination in law against men, its lead to discrimination in health against men where billions less is spent on mens health..men are more likely to get cancer and die far more likely yet more of the pot goes to women. 1000s more institutions are set up and paid for to support women, far more money far more charities are set up and billions more is spent on women per head.....the law is biased against fathers, biased against family itself. its lead to social cultural bias against men with a million and one double standards across the board. in the end this hurts everyone men and women.the law and the rules and the culture should be equal, period.
where we get mixed up is when we include the middle east and those areas of the world that are 1000 years behind us....we are talking western society where the vast majority of discrimination is against men...men lose 80% of divorce battles, lose their kids in over 80% of divorce battles, lose their homes in over 80% of divorces....men kill themselves at 4 times the rate of women and men die young in every country across the globe

Got to agree with you BL. Equality is a far better term. I understand the way feminism rose out of centuries of women's oppression... but it's gone too far now and seems to be the domain of women who hate men. I love men, and I'd like to see everyone treated equally and not discriminated against on the grounds of race, sex, sexual orientation or anything other than ability.

Bravo. The exaggerated revisionism is also dangerous. as if all men deliberately kept all women down. lets get it straight, working class men didn't have any voting rights just over a century ago. the whole country was controlled by landowners. it was simple story of the mega rich versus the rest and it still is....the battle of the sexes is a battle drawn up by the elite designed to get the working masses arguing amongst themselves when they should be battling against the elite........how much will apple pay on their quarterly £10 billion profits? a lot less as a percentage than the people who clean their sewers.........I say equality and justice for all and time to end this phoney war and take up the real one with the elite

agree with all of that apart from loving men lol (not that i hate men, just that i dont love them because i like boobs)

Egalitarian.

Sorry, but I do not believe this is the definition of a feminist.....




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Feminism was created at a time when women where downtrodden and had little or no rights, it followed on from the suffrage movement which had its peak in the 1920's.

Feminism had a place when the balance was tipped too far in favour of men, in todays world although equality does not exist in every area of life the mainstream areas are pretty even and as such I do not think there is still a place for feminism in its literal meaning.

I also think the feminist movement was hi-jacked by the flat heeled,man hating brigade years ago, and they pretty much won't be happy until men are eradicated.

I agree with the push for further equality but I do not like the idea of trying to push one particular gender ahead of another.





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mmm good points Nedusa. What would make alot of sense in this day and age to move forward in a united way would be to change Feminism to Equality groups that cater for inequality for both sexes because in areas like fathers Rights for example men are definitely being hard done by, also women being awarded alimony is out dated. Both of these issues at one point in time were needed as women usually didn't work when married and also wouldn't have had as good opportunities as men did to earn a decent wage. And in regards to children, men used not take as active a role as women in raising their children. That has changed but the laws don't seem to have kept up and that can be a terrible thing for a father if a marriage breaks up. Men and women working together to get equal rights for everyone seems like a positive step forward

I'm a feminist. That doesn't mean I believe all men are potential rapists, it doesn't mean I'm superior to man in any way; it doesn't mean I'm a woman who preaches that we must stand by our ‘sisters’. It simply means

I'm neither proud or ashamed to be a woman, I’m just happy to a be a human who has choices.

ED to say, any woman or man for that matter who agrees with my bolded bit is also a feminist.

Agree........yes if we carefully examine the whole spectrum of rights we would as you say find there are areas where men have less rights (like in Child custody) and areas where women are still under represented.

So taken as a whole I think we need the fight to be more of a general nature where both Men and Womens rights are represented in the areas where they are still lacking.

Either way I still associate the word Feminism with the battle to increase womens rights at the expense of everyone else's regardless of whether there is a desperate need or not.






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Yeah, maybe it is time for the word to evolve like the cause has, to include both sexes fight for equality

it hasn't been about equal rights for decades, its now about getting everyone for women..otherwise why isn't male oppression ever seriously talked about, debated , considered? all the points I keep repeating about male suicide rates, death rates, divorce and family figures are barely mentioned in mainstream debate...why?because people are even more afraid of feminists than they are radical islam

yes agree with the posts on equality, equality for all, bravo

I like blonde feminists with a nicely turned ankle and perky do daas

No bc women are better than men bye