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How many times have they invaded Britain , exactly ... They are no threat , they just want to be left to develop their country and utilise their resources. They are only a threat when they are constantly prodded and probed by our friends across the water who think they have a God given right to rule the whole flipping planet. They are also a threat when they decide to sell oil and gas in currencies other than US dollars, a bit like the other countries who tried to do this eg Iraq,Libya, Afghanistan, Syria they all seem to have found themselves bombed invaded and their leaders overthrown. Anyone see a pattern emerging.... Probably half the reason Iran is under such scrutiny because it wants to set up an oil bourse that doesn't trade exclusively in USD . Once China depegs it's currency from the USD it too will be a target for aggressive US sanctions / actions. Bottom line is that the U.S. are only surviving by virtue of the fact that the rest of the world buys their debt by using the USD as the world's reserve currency. Once that goes the US will implode so trust me when I say that they will do absolutely anything and everything they can to maintain the status quo. Question- in times of global tension where does all the money go where is it stored ? Ans - in US Dollars . |
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So far the West has'nt retaliated but Putin did'nt stop at Crimea,He is expanding his aggression further and further into Ukraine and if is left unhindered who knows where he will stop. If he pushes further and further west and heads for Kiev which is not that far fetched as his momentum grows then the fighting will be fierce and America and very likely Britain,Poland,Germany etc will send troops in and it will be the start of a world disaster which could very easily escalate into a serious conflict bigger than any seen so far.So yes Russia is a threat to all of us.It played to strong a hand and was uncalled for.If the Ukrainian people want to be part of the EU or even Nato then that is up to them.Russias bully tactics should not be tolerated.I do believe that if the Eastern Ukraine wants to become autonamous then they should have a right to vote on that WITHOUT Russia influencing the vote with troops as they did in Crimea but if Russia gets greedy and pushes toward Kiev then we are all in trouble. |
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Besides Ukraine is a bankrupt country and is heading towards failed state status, no Russia doesn't need to invade the Ukraine it will always be a major partner to ukraine , a protector and a bank ready to give ukraine the money it needs with less strings attached than the IMF or world bank. Do some research into what US companies have set up in Ukraine, massive agri industries like Monsanto ready to grow even more GM crops at the expense of Ukraine's already established agricultural industries. By setting up this current puppet govt with its masters in Washington the Ukrainian people East and west have been sold a lie and their country is now a battlefield in proxy Cold War. Such a shame that the rest of the world did not condemn the illegal revolution in Ukraine in 2013. Look at where we are now, all totally unnecessary. I hope the European peace initiative works and the fighting and killing stops but I doubt it as the US is furious Putin took Crimea to protect its naval bases in Sevastopol when really the big payback for the US was supposed to be the new Ukrainian govt terminating the leases for these bases and forcing Russia into a corner. But as usual President Putin out manoeuvred the US as he thinks two or three moves ahead. As someone once said the US president plays draughts while the Russian president plays chess. Don't be fooled the US has created this whole crisis for its own geopolitical agenda , I just wish more innocent people didn't have to die in the crossfire. . |
The Crimea has been part of the Ukraine since 1954 but like the rest of the Ukraine and all the countries bordering Russian territory, it strongly depends on Russia for gas (amongst other things), Russia is known as a petro-state and the Ukraine is its lapdog.
In more recent years the Ukraine has been trying to break away from that dependency by building their own gas terminals for both themselves and with the intention of selling that gas to a viable market. Russia was, for obvious reasons, not prepared to lend money on this project but the US and the EU were. The Ukraine is a big country and its stability does affect the stability of Euope as a whole. Free trade agreement insured that countries stability and up until early last year the Ukraine believed they were heading towards that much needed signature. Why do we want to get into a proxy war with Russia? the answer is, we don't, we really don't. This isn't about triumphalism and that's why we only started to implement sanctions after endless diplomatic talks with Moscow. The west very much stood back because they wanted the Ukraine to determine their own destiny; we wanted a peaceful resolution. We only started to up our game after the ceasefire in September wasn't honoured. I'll add to that... there is so much information from both Washington and Moscow about this ceasefire; nobody really knows who threw the first stone. What we do know is, Russia started to cross borders into the Ukraine with tanks and heavy rocket launchers. We also know that Russian artillery has been fired across the borders and that Russian backed rebels are being armed with rifles and anti-tank weapons. This is a fratricide war but only one side are armed. Why shound the west not back those who need to fight the Russian separatists? We were already involved in Negotiations with the Ukraine before this upheaval. So far, the west has only sent emergency aid for the 1.5 million displaced Ukrainians. Its shown and still shows no eagerness to to pour gasoline onto an open fire like the Russians appear to be doing. |
Perhaps dividing the Country is the only real solution, or having a loose collecton of autonomous states like a Federal Republic.
Clearly the majority of Russian speaking Ukrainians in the East do not want to be ruled by this new Govt in the West (whose first law was to ban the use of Russian language) and I would guess the vast majority of the western Ukrainian population would prefer to look to Europe and not have any connections with Russia. Clearly these two views are incompatible so perhaps the answer is some sort of split like Czechoslovakia or like the breakup of the former Yugoslavia. . |
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if the Americans Arm Ukraine will it lead to WW3? My Bunker is fully stocked. |
ukraine is no match for russia, putin is going to pump 600 billion into russian military modernization program that will last up to 2050, they aren't going to start another arms race, america can't afford to start one either, ukraine is a failed state, before the maiden, moscow had to pay billions every month, to kiev, the eu does not want ukraine membership, just a trade deal, this is america's doing, all this fighting for one thing, syria,putin stopped us-nato bombing of the syrian arab goverment, so they will bring the fight to his borders, to think that if assads goverment fell to nato bombing, the isis would of taken all of iraq and syria, and jordania and egypt would be next on the list,
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World War III could well be on its way; we've got the rise of extremist parties all over Europe, total anarchy in the Middle East, North Africa (and parts of Western Africa) and the Caucasus; a great deal of hatred towards Muslims and a very poor understanding amongst every day people about what's actually going on around the world; this is all too familiar and echoes the political climate that led to World War II, except this time it's Muslims who are the subjects of scorn and misunderstanding instead of Jews and it's an undefined Islamic State that's acting belligerently in Asia instead of Nazi Germany in Central Europe. I do worry about it because we all assumed that we'd never go to war again, having learned our lessons... but the people in the Middle East didn't learn a lesson from World War II, the only lesson they learned is that the West felt like they could just flippantly draw borders, insert a large population of refugees and take all the oil from the Gulf. There's a lot of resentment towards the West and I'm not sure people really understand why. |
Russia supplies lots of military equipment to south american countries that are hostile to america.
Why does Russia supply weapons to Venezuela which constantly calls America the devil and the empire??? |
venezuela has huge pools of oil, chavez was right about the coup in 2002, cia was behind it, venezuela is buying military hardware from russia for defense purpose only, after the iraq war, venezuela bought also the S-300 missile defense system, for some strange reason, america did not feel upset about that, but when assad had bought it, the west went up in arms about that, so putin made a deal that he would not supply the air defense system to syria, for no nato bombing,
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and just for the record, the US has never kicked up a stink about Russia supplying arms to latin countries. (because we know the technology is inferior, and mostly useless against the US military) |
Putin agrees to a ceasefire
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-31359021
Quite surprised the BBC have ran this, just shows how murky it was the way in which Yanukovych was toppled |
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Its a combination of many things that could lead us into WWIII I think Andrew Handley has it spot on...http://listverse.com/2014/03/06/10-s...world-war-iii/
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If we get involved then China will come in on Russia's side. As the ceasefire agreement was being singed this morning, Russia's television broadcasts were saying that they now had enough man power on western borders to take all of Europe and that they could take Germany and Poland in a day. |
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It really frustates me to read propaganda like this as many people will believe this rubbish and take it for fact, when it isn't, it's a distorted version of events spun to cast Russia as the evil empire. Utter tosh.................. . |
Thank god, I hope it holds.
An agreement aimed at ending the fighting in Ukraine has been reached, following marathon talks in Belarus. The leaders of Russia, Ukraine, Germany and France announced that a ceasefire would begin on 15 February. The deal also includes weapon withdrawals and prisoner exchanges, but key issues remain to be settled. The pro-Russian rebels in eastern Ukraine have signed the agreement. Thousands of people died in almost a year of fighting in the region. The BBC's Richard Galpin in Minsk says the deal is very similar to a ceasefire agreed last September, which unravelled very quickly. The latest agreement includes: Ceasefire to begin at 00:01 local time on 15 February Heavy weapons to be pulled out from conflict zones, beginning on 17 February and completed in two weeks All prisoners to be released; amnesty for those involved in fighting Withdrawal of all foreign armed formations, weapons and mercenaries from Ukrainian territory. Disarmament of all illegal groups Ukraine to allow resumption of normal life in rebel areas, by lifting restrictions Constitutional reform to enable decentralisation for rebel regions by the end of 2015 Ukraine to control border with Russia if conditions met by the end of 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31435812 |
Cease fire won't last.
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I said before, we are diametrically opposed and so we have to agree to disagree. I believe we all need to take a share of the responsibility regarding what is presently going on in the Ukraine, regardless of weather you're east or west of that country; the issue is, the people in the Ukraine have become collateral between the east and the west. |
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Fisty Cuffs in Ukraine Politics [Vadim Ivchenko, from the Fatherland party, then throws an almighty right hand on to the jaw of Mr Sobolev] Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3RYq5RizJ |
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This ceasefire has been brokered by Germany and France,(the primary movers behind negotiating the ceasefire). Its been called an unconditional ceasefire, however, the Ukrainian PM left the negotiations at one point claiming he couldn't work with these political conditions such as the decentralization of power within the Ukraine and referendums and democratic reforms (that's a joke that has been insisted on by Russia!). The Ukrainians have accepted a massive IMF loan in return for their capitulation. While all this has been going on, the state control Russian media has been reporting from their current front line that the Russian army could march to Poland or Germany. These statements just don't concur with the story that is being told in the discussions over the ceasefire. This is the second time a ceasefire has been agreed on and as we all know, the first one never happened. |
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