Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7613457)

The chips are coming. :worry:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7613450)

Until one day you are affected and your life falls apart. They act outside the law and the law is there to protect us.

And yes, me too. Anyone looking in to my personal life will probably be asleep in about fifteen minutes.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7613374)

Shame they can't use all the tech they have to catch high profile peadophiles and it has to be done anonymously...

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7613428)

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. It's not as if the government are compiling piles of information purely to snoop on ordinary people with ordinary lives. Anyone with a supermarket loyalty card has information stored and passed on about them - what newspaper you buy, how much you spend... it's all amalgamated by companies like Experian who, from the information gleaned, can take a pretty good guess at which way you vote, for instance, and this information is for sale under the trade name Mosac. I don't see anyone cutting up their loyalty cards though. Also, we're less vigilant about our own personal information than ever with half the country sharing personal info, photos etc. social networks.

We might want to live in a country where personal information is totally personal and no information is collated about anyone. But then we'd see how many terrorists incidents are stopped every year because all those incidents would go ahead and there'd be carnage. Then there'd be a thread on how the security services aren't doing enough. It's not possible to have it all ways.

Originally Posted by Josy (Post 7613478)

There is also a difference IMO when people give out their personal info and then when governments go looking for it for no reason, I just don't see how the metadata is needed, I'm talking about innocent daily activities that are being recorded, calling someone at a certain time for example, if neither people involved have ever been suspected of criminal activities that are threat to security then why does that info need to be recorded?

Originally Posted by Josy (Post 7613478)

I don't think these information gleaning tactics are preventing as much attacks from terrorists as some seem to think or are led to believe, Didn't Obama claim that over 50 attacks had been prevented due to the NSA info? a number that was revealed later to seemingly have been plucked out of thin air. (I remember reading something about this so I will try find a link)

There is also a difference IMO when people give out their personal info and then when governments go looking for it for no reason, I just don't see how the metadata is needed, I'm talking about innocent daily activities that are being recorded, calling someone at a certain time for example, if neither people involved have ever been suspected of criminal activities that are threat to security then why does that info need to be recorded?

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7613520)

You could be making bombs with your grocery shopping. :nono:

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 7613469)

1984 was a novel, not a manual…Britain owns and runs quarter of the worlds CCCT cameras, the largest of any country. That’s 4.2 million cameras which makes it one camera for every 14 people. Britain is obsessed with security and we are all paranoid about our safety.

I was walking through the City of London with a barrister last year when we came across a very distraught elderly lady who was being held by 2 security guards. It turned out that she’d been waiting for her daughter outside some offices and had put her cigarette out on the pavement. The man behind the camera who’d been watching her signalled for security officers to attend. Neither my colleague nor myself are smokers and neither of us approve of people stubbing their fags out in the road but this was complete overkill. The barrister intervened and read these guys the riot act and the old lady who was shaking and crying could only repeat, “Please forgive me, I’m not a criminal”. This is authoritarian Britain today. The more I sea and learn, the less I want to live here.

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 7613551)

i wonder if there are any statistics about how many crimes were prevented with these cameras.

i would be interested to hear those stories.

Do you think in many circumstances the cameras actually do make people safer? or do you really believe they are just evil tools used by the government not to help people, but just to oppress people?

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 7613651)

I’m not saying don’t have surveillance cameras but why has Britain go more cameras than any other country in the world?

I don’t think people realize just how little freedom they have. Layer upon layer of legislation has been put in place to manipulate the way people behave. I mentioned in another thread about never seeing kids chalking a hopscotch on a pavement anymore and that’s because those children would be pounced on for vandalism. There are laws about how many people are allowed to gather in a public space; Its a very small number before the police can step in and disperse them. Our daughter can’t go with her mates to the local park because groups of teenagers are seen as suspicious.

What I resent is this extensive surveillance to ensure we all tow the line whilst believing we need their protection.

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 7613651)

I’m not saying don’t have surveillance cameras but why has Britain go more cameras than any other country in the world?

I don’t think people realize just how little freedom they have. Layer upon layer of legislation has been put in place to manipulate the way people behave. I mentioned in another thread about never seeing kids chalking a hopscotch on a pavement anymore and that’s because those children would be pounced on for vandalism. There are laws about how many people are allowed to gather in a public space; Its a very small number before the police can step in and disperse them. Our daughter can’t go with her mates to the local park because groups of teenagers are seen as suspicious.

What I resent is this extensive surveillance to ensure we all tow the line whilst believing we need their protection.

Originally Posted by Josy (Post 7613478)

I don't think these information gleaning tactics are preventing as much attacks from terrorists as some seem to think or are led to believe, Didn't Obama claim that over 50 attacks had been prevented due to the NSA info? a number that was revealed later to seemingly have been plucked out of thin air. (I remember reading something about this so I will try find a link)

There is also a difference IMO when people give out their personal info and then when governments go looking for it for no reason, I just don't see how the metadata is needed, I'm talking about innocent daily activities that are being recorded, calling someone at a certain time for example, if neither people involved have ever been suspected of criminal activities that are threat to security then why does that info need to be recorded?

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7613727)

They get control, compliance and unquestioning obedience.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7613727)

They get control, compliance and unquestioning obedience.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7613773)

Oh yeah, that sounds like the British public.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 7614553)

Thing is, people complain about the government snooping on them and then go and post intimate details of their day on facebook, twitter and the like which are all available to the public. People complain when youths run amok on trains beating up old ladies and yet complain when video cameras are installed in train carriages to prevent it. I don't give a damn about appearing on a video camera compared to the benefits that it provides us.