Sorry, but I just think there's something 'fishy' about Nicola Sturgeon. :hehe: Oh, and Farage didn't 'walk out' he stayed and slayed.

Nicola had prepared well and spoke well, don't trust her at all though.

Given that Cameron had the record to defend, he should have been hamstrung by the others, and he really wasn't. Nothing was thrown at him that he couldn't answer. Miliband was as bland as ever. With Nigel, some of his prejudices came poking through, more will come out over the next few weeks. Underwhelmed.

What was interesting was the rehearsed way Milliband acted, turning to the camera to make a point, swivelling to cameron time and time again. People dont want American politics (and he has a very highly paid Washington adviser as does Dave) they prefer the realism of Farage and Sturgeon.

You dont win things like this but you can gain status and the ladies won the show from that point.

Yes and Glaring at the Camera
even when it moved.


Joeys Top man
Fake

Well it wasn't Natalie Bennett

Funny how different people see things, anyway, for me, David Cameron will have probably done nothing to draw back voters who have gone to UKIP, he just didn't as the PM of the UK take Nigel Farage on at all,and frankly David Cameron was sunk when Ed Miliband highlighted how isolated Cameron has become in Europe,David Cameron too, was lost when Farage hammered home the fact that Merkel in Germany caled the shots in the EU really.
he had no answers at all to any of that.
He may in fact have sent even more 'soft' Conservative support at present to UKIP.

Ed Miliband didn't do too that good but he did enough and the loud message from the debate was that Cameron's way forward was not acceptable to all the others in the main.
What also happened was that Nicola Sturgeon purged pretty well the ogre image being painted by Cameron and the Conservatives as to the SNP.
Which may well have made a Labour led govt; with SNP support less negative now for voters.
This was his only chance really to take on the other leaders of parties in the UK. and Cameron said very little at all and challenged even less from and as to them.

Miliband will be in the next debate, neither Cameron or Clegg will.
As was said on the news today,it appeared like Cameron just wanted to get it over with as quickly and quietly as possible and there were even times Clegg didn't appear to want to be there either.

Cameron rarely connected,seemingly shy of the cameras and was very downbeat and glum throughout.
For a sitting PM with a supposed good record to defend, there was little evidence for me that was the case at all or that this was even a worthy PM too.

All he could do was harp on about creating 2,000,000 jobs while at the same time, dismissing the near unanimous view of the others that the jobs were not secure or even regular full time jobs.
he again left himself and ooked totally isolated on that too.

No killer blows were struck by any of them really, that would have been hard to do anyway with 7 of them there and the limited time.
However the polls seem to be saying overall, no change has ocurred from the debate,things are still close except that the SNP,thanks to Nicola Sturgeon's performance and explanation of their policies,has come across as far more credible now.

Whatever Sturgeon says or however well she came across I could never really shake the fact that I can't vote for her party, I want politicians up there who care about all of the UK and want to govern the country as a whole. Maybe Sturgeon does want a say in governing the country but only as a means to an end of breaking up the UK or at the very least having ever more powers and money devolved to Scotland, and I'm sorry but that is just not something that anyone outside of Scotland wants or is interested in happening.

I thought (again) Cameron was detached and not really engaged in the debate (it may be a tactic from his Washington advisor?) Milliband just tries too hard and his obsession with Dave and his "if I am your PM" tactic (again probably from his USA advisor) became tiresome.

I found the 3 ladies refreshing probably because they spoke for themselves and less from advisers.

But from listening to 5 live/lbc this morning Nicola was the star.

Nigel preached a l;ovely sermon to the converted and as JS said the sounds of that sermon may have drifted from the High Church of UKip down the country lanes and into the ears of some flaky Tory voters.

In truth it was fairly sensible from Cameron. He might not have lit up the debate but he came through it unscathed and the election is still far enough away now that by May 7 this debate and the memory of it won't impact that much on voters in their view of him. That's about as good as any PM can hope for in a debate like this unless their five years in office have been ones of unqualified success.

Yes I think it may have been the tactic and it may prove to be the right one, if not the most televisual

Scotland is still part of the UK and since the UK asks and expects the Scots to vote in westminster elections, then if the Scots choose to elect large numbers of the SNP, that is democracy.
They then should have every right to fight for Scotland and to influence all they can as to govt; at westminster as much as anyone else elected to westminster in a democratic election.

Why also should a party that has seen its voters almost wipe out entirely the Conservative representation there,then be expected to in any way help shore it up in govt;
For Scotland and Wales, the Labour party will be the main UK party that gets the higher support of the 3 present main parties n those countries,so why should the SNP and Plaid Cymru not be able to, as full members of the UK, work with the party more in line with their policies, and keep the one a world away from what they would like to see 'out' if they can.

Or is it that the UK just should have one form of govt;
No wonder we cannot get changes to the voting system in the UK with views like that,which would discriminate against parties legitimately elected in democratic elections for westminster, from 'all' the parts and all countries of the UK.

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Who do you think won the leaders' TV debate?

• Natalie Bennett 2% 230 votes
  
• Nick Clegg 2% 256 votes
  
• Nigel Farage 34% 4,991 votes
  
• Ed Miliband 7% 1,051 votes
  
• Leanne Wood 2% 305 votes
  
• Nicola Sturgeon 18% 2,614 votes
  
• David Cameron 35% 5,078 votes

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3WElST2Sb

I just can't trust Sturgeon.She just seems so insincere and untrustworthy imo.She always has that Scottish agenda in everything she does and she has no interest in the UK as a whole,Just to grab what she can for Scotland and feck everyone else.
Also her stand our defence is just plain irresponsible.
I have been a Labour voter in the past but i can't fecking stand Millibland and Labour are weak on immigration and did nothing good in their previous terms in government.
Conservatives never.I would have to sell my soul to vote that way and i never will.
Clegg is a good speaker but the LibDems are just willing to bend over and be anyones bitch and go along with anyone just to have that 15 minutes(5 years) of fame.
Greens would turn this country into some kind of hippy commune with no transport,power or defences and our kids would be eating tofu and nut roll sandwiches for their school dinners.
For me Farage slayed with a cool air of confidence and he is the change from the 2 old parties that this country needs.He said nothing i disagree with and alot i do agree with.My vote for policies survey came back 100% UKIP so i will be proudly voting UKIP even though they have no chance of winning.Gotta vote for what you believe in.

Joey, I put the 'Joker' emoticon on the end of my statement to illustrate it was a 'light-hearted' post.

That said, I would hate the thought of a Labour/SNP coalition government.

Labour -- A party which has had infinite terms in office, and who has NEVER delivered on its pre-Election promises, and who are as culpable as the Tories in initiating, continuing with, or supporting policies which have not only DAMAGED this country, but also inflicted great penury on the most vulnerable classes of society - the very class which they purport to be 'The Protectors' of.

The SNP -- A party whose very 'raison d'etre' is the fracturing of the United Kingdom, seriously 'passing themselves off' as THE most fitting party to govern that very same UK?

What a combination.

I'm sorry but I feel that after more than 60 years of the same tedious inefficiency, corruption and clueless-ness, it is time for a 'sea change'. Time to pull the rug completely from beneath the complacent feet of the big two. Time to give Nigel Farage a chance.

No sane impartial person can fault Farage on what he says he is going to do, and therefore, the only reasons his detractors 'hang out' there are wildly speculative 'boogeyman' scare stories of what he will do if he ever gets into power.

Once again, I am sorry but the above 'he might do' hypothesising does not persuade when held against the historical realities of the track record of what the Labour and Tory parties actually did and didn't do when they were in power. Especially when - if Farage does not deliver, or if he turns 'extreme' once in power - we have the vote to remove him, and any damage inflicted by such policies over one solitary term in office, is but a 'feather stroke' in comparison to 60 years of damaging 'non-government' from the other parties.

Yes a great 2 hour Debate
that got SNP above Labour


The next debate is the 5 outsiders
so Clegg and Ed can fight again
2 weeks thursday BBC1HD 19th April

Farage brought up Foreigners getting free HIV drugs
its a around £18,000 a year in cost. (a general google search)

We must be open about this
does this mean a Cancer patient
can not get funding
because of this?

The discourse between Nigel and the Welsh lady says it all. He was dealing in facts and she was just spouting emotion.

Politics is about the reality of life not the fantasy, its why socialism never works - it may be lovely to say we must help everyone and be nice and what would jesus do etc but the reality is somewhat different.

Well my totally disastrous combination and result would be the Conservatives around 10 to 15 seats short and then backed up in govt; by UKIP and the DUP.
I would just about rather have any result other than that one.

If we look at the main parties, in the main to keep his party happier, Cameron has embarked on some of the most rotten imaginable policies possible,Labour too in govt; have done the same to keep certain sections of their party happy too.

Nigel Farage may mean well but he has difficulty with a handful of European MPs and from what I ahve ehard and seen revealed as to the thinking of candidates for UKIP, I am filled with suspicions as to what this one man Farage could do against a whole set of MPs with views like we have heard over the last few years.

Of course for me, I don't want to leave the EU and also am not in the slightest bothered about a referendum as to same.

However, Nigel Farage makes a great play on free speech and democracy,yet he does not want 16 and 17 year olds to have a vote in any referendum.
Why not, probably because in the main the younger in UK society appear to lean more to being part of Europe not out of it.
Also he indicates,those here from other countries, who are working here, registered to vote too but not of British origin should also not have a vote in a referendum.

That starts to sound like strong discrimination actually and borders on dicatatorship too.
So a definite no thank you from me, to Nigel Farage and UKIP,I still believe as a great many probably do,that they have an unpleasant hidden agenda behind their smiles.

The SNP have also never once said they will want another referendum for support at westminster but for me, why should they not have it,they were conned by the 3 party eladers when it looked like Cameron was going to preside over the first break up of the UK.
Now the Scots have voted to stay, we get some of the little englanders screaming they should have no say as to power in westminster.
What utter hypocrisy, we wanted them to stay in the UK but now expect them to do nothing and keep quiet.
Says a lot for the UK and its idea of democracy that does.

So??? Who won? And who came second? :D

True, it shocks me the way that the Scots are referred by the tories, and how Ed Miliband is constantly accused of dancing to the SNP tune... We are together and Scotland is part of the UK so why the suspicion?
Farage is so against being partnered with the EU due to the rules and the provisos, but what is the cost of taking a seat in the WTO? Is that proviso free, we have never had an explanation on what our future out of the EU would entail.

I agree, bit ironic that she wants each countries votes counted in referendum on Europe so they won't be dragged out when her party would have taken Scotland out of Europe had they won a yes vote

Brilliantly pointed out Cherie (why don't you move in with me in my squat? :hehe:)

The EU for the UK has been an unmitigated disaster.

Its easy to take that view when your own country is 10 ntimes biugger than any other in the union etc etc

I would imagine if you lived in Wales , NI or Scotland your view may differ as it would if Scotland had 50 million and england 5.