Hope you have a faaaaaabulous time........:cheer2::cheer2:

I'd be shocked if it wasn't a landslide victory for the Yes vote tbh

I'm off down the country early on the 22nd. I'll have to vote earlier :fist:

I can't see it not being passed, but I'd never be as arrogant as to not vote.

Oh absolutely Eoin, you have to vote, it's one of the most important votes we'll ever vote for imo, you can't be complacent

Yeah a bit of perspective with a kind of comedic twist is the video Brendan o Carroll did on it. I can't link it but it's on Facebook.

I mean the importance part.

I'll have a look for it in a minute, seems to have almost everyone's backing anyway, it's great how far our country has come actually in such a short space of time. Since the church lost its hold really

Tbf I do agree with UKIP that Christians shouldn't be forced into marrying people that they don't want to do because it goes against their Religious beliefs.

However this party is very sinister to me, and I'm not sure if that's the end of it on this discussion really.

Yeah if you're a brave ****er.:laugh:

Can us gays have extra protection from these people?

"It follows a furore over a Christian bakery in Northern Ireland which was taken to court accused of discrimination after cancelling an order to make a cake featuring the Sesame Street characters Bert and Ernie arm in arm under the slogan “support gay marriage”.
That case led to attempts to change the law in the Province to allow individuals and businesses an exclusion from discrimination law to enable them to refuse to provide services if they go against their religious convictions."

GROAN :sleep::sleep::sleep:

Where does all this B.S end?

Should a Jewish PRINTING FIRM be FORCED by law to accept an order from a NEO-NAZI Organisation to print leaflets extolling the virtues of Adolf Hitler and denying the Holocaust?

Should a Bakery owned by BLACKS similarly be forced by law to HAVE to bake an anniversary cake for the Klu Klux Klan replete with a blackman hanging from a tree in glorious technicoloured icing?
Where does this all end?

Will we see good natured LGBT social events FORCED by law to allow known HOMOPHOBIC troublemaker thugs in?

I have associated with Gay people for decades, attended 'All Dayer's' and 'All Nighter's' at Gay Nightclubs from 'Heroes' in Manchester, to 'Rockshots' in Leeds, to 'Heaven' in London, ACTIVELY supported and CAMPAIGNED for 'CHE' - the' Campaign For Homosexual Equality' back in the 80's, and still have very close and dear Gay friends, but this is all BS. - a political 'Mountain out of a molehill' being seized upon by anti-UKIP bodies for their own ends to make political capital out of.

The simple truth is; that no one should be FORCED to do anything by law if it is in genuine conflict with their beliefs - religious or otherwise - if there are viable alternatives available.

Gays - like 'Straights' can marry in a Register Office or the Elvis' (non) Chapel in Vegas or their own front room.

If rebuffed by ANYONE, most Gays who I know would SCATHINGLY and WITHERINGLY tell them what to do with their 'Service' then turn on their heels and go elsewhere.

Kirk, the examples you just used are not even comparable, expecting anyone to accept an order containing slogans or messages that incite hatred like the Nazis or Ku Klux Klan would not only be unacceptable but I assume against the law. It's pretty insulting to gay people to compare them to groups like that :/

With respect Niamh - I'm NOT comparing Gay people to groups like Nazis and the KKK, I'm comparing the principle of using a law to compel people to accommodate business, custom or practices from others if to do so genuinely offends their principles or beliefs, especially when alternatives exist.

The cake I quoted actually contained a slogan: 'Support Gay Marriage' which could be considered as incendiary and offensive to some people as any of the slogans in my hypothesis above would be to others, but it's just madness to run and try and legislate for things like this when alternatives are available.

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It would be a huge backwards step, in effect all it would do would allow bigots a get out clause.
For actual practicing Christians I can understand they feel conflicted however and it is up to them to wrestle with their own consciences I guess :/

I understand that but it's not like for like when you're using hate groups as your example. When you say alternatives exist, I doubt anyone at all, not just Jewish owned companies would print posters supporting Hitler and the Nazis, they would more likely report them to the Police so the question you ask "Should a Jewish PRINTING FIRM be FORCED by law to accept an order from a NEO-NAZI Organisation to print leaflets extolling the virtues of Adolf Hitler and denying the Holocaust?" is in no way strengthening your case in regards to this imo

Has anyone actually said - like the Pope, Arch of Canterbury etc


God does not agree with homosexuals

or

Yes he does


For it seems that its a little vague, how hard is it to find out if it is policy or not?

Everything in the bible is vague and almost every passage in it contradicts another. You ultimately have to pick and choose what parts you want to follow and believe in which makes people who use religion to justify their discriminatory behavior scum.

It doesn't mention the subject much in the Bible, but does condemn it where it does.

This subject is only really given any thought by Christian Fundamentalist Extremists and it is barmy to strictly adhere to edicts such as this today. IMHO.

https://carm.org/bible-homosexuality

It's a ploy to bring back section 28.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...ti-gay-3558058

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/05/18...tional-family/

He'd like to be if her first name was Charlotte, Cherie. :laugh:

Thats exactly what I was thinking. Gay rights are legal and anti-semitism and racism will get you in trouble. So they're nowhere near the same principals. Terrible examples.

He compared a Christians right to be homophobic to a Jewish persons right to dislike anti-semitism and a black persons right to dislike the KKK! his examples are actually the complete opposite to each other

OK - I concede that I could have picked better examples but I'm sure you understand the point I was making.

It's going to be hard to legislate as religious observances are included in the hate laws I thought so won't they conflict with the rights of homosexuals to marry in church?
Personally I think it's all bunkum and wish there were no churches but there you go...

Maybe everyone who cares for Gay Rights should start having REAL perspective and instead of wishing there were no CHURCHES start PRAYING that the day doesn't come when you get your wish and there will be no Churches ONLY MOSQUES, because the day that happens - and it 1,000% will - there will also BE NO GAYS.

Was your point that business owners should have the right to refuse service to anyone? Cos I'd agree to that to a certain extent but not to the extent where you can discriminate against a person openly because of who they are.. I'm more on a 'not selling a drunk person more beer' level.

I don't like mosques either.