It was essentially Chloe vs. Simon and it involved him being caught out by others saying one thing and then saying the exact opposite. Something he's already been caught out doing with Eileen.

Was Nasty Nick being treated badly when Craig and co. were talking to him at the table?

It wasn't Chloe vs Simon, come on :laugh:

The whole meeting in the store room about how they would reveal it, gathering all the housemates together (Joel) Jack whispering about it to the other housemates etc then them all standing there having their say and Chloe calling him names etc.

And the Nasty Nick thing isn't relevant here IMO.

What a hero he is you know apart from the lewd comments and name calling and threats. Top bloke.

Glad you can see him for the good housemate he is.

Nah plants don't do it for me sorry

It quite clearly was. The others were there to clarify what was said in the diary room so he couldn't lie.

After he had betrayed her just as he had done with Eileen. Is she not allowed to feel pissed off by him saying what he did. Are the others not right to bring it up when he does this for a second time and be there to back Chloe up who he has been lying to the face of whilst pretending to be a friend.

Actually it was SAM who got in bed with Marc,he was in bed a bit worse for the wear and she got in.:shrug:

Think Danny's comment was code for

"We're all in a cosy group here, we don't like being challenged and we'll turn on individuals as 1 group if they do."

Still, I don't really see it as "victim".
Simon's intentions are admirable he just isn't strong enough.

If BB want to shake the house up, task team need to think outside the box just as much as new HMs thrown in to take them on.

What is admirable about saying one thing to a persons face and then going to the diary room and saying the exact opposite?

Of course Chloes allowed to be pissed off but if you want to confront someone there is the adult way of doing it, she was really excited about doing it with her friends though, like when she said 'right when are you all doing it, I can't wait'

Absolute Legend that Marc :joker:

I'm glad someone stood up for Simon tbh. Just seeing it on screen...all of the HMs standing in a line glaring at him...it was horrid.

He never even said anything bad about Chloe in the DR for such a fuss to be made. And LOL at them all making out they are exactly the same in the DR as outside of it :D

She felt it was their call because they had the information. Was it the right way to go about confronting him? Perhaps not. But to start saying it makes you uncomfortable like you're witnessing some sort of terrible example of injustice strikes me as over the top. The irritant got caught out lying again and the HMs are fed up with him. They don't seem the sort to me to subject him to a sustained level of abuse and they didn't.

What do you mean "betrayed" ?
It's a gameshow is it not ?
Even if he did "lie" (personally think it's confused and misunderstood) what's your point ?
They're all meant to be 1 big happy family ?

You say
Hang on...
Didn't Chloe agree with Eileen he was the "bad person".
Yet then gave some twaddle about supporting Simon after the Eileen incident ?

Yes, people can say what they like.
But let's not be selective over who's right and wrong.
Chloe is just as 2 faced as Simon here.

Think Josy makes a good point.
Fact they held a meeting AS A GROUP and spoke as a group says it all.

Sure they can do that if they like. (and maybe felt they had to)
But then don't give us guff about "tell me to my face" when they're not prepared to go it alone as individuals.

She felt betrayed. And this "it's a game show" nonsense used to justify people behaving like creeps is rather bizarre to me.

Who said that? He was simply caught out for a second time saying one thing to a persons face and the opposite in the diary room. It's people who think he shouldn't be confronted on this who seem to think they should all be playing happy families.



He didn't disagree with that, so I'm prepared to believe that she did do that regardless of one moment in a highly edited show that might suggest otherwise.

No, she is not.

It doesn't say anything.

What has going it alone got to do with telling people to their face?

I think many have misunderstood it all.

Way I see it, Simon wanted Chloe to win, thought she would (maybe with his house training help) and the "deserve" thing was his way of saying she deserved to win because she was young, had her life ahead of her etc.

For me, that doesn't mean he's wrong to say she's wasn't doing enough to win at the moment.

His problem is that he's using two sets of criteria to judge them. One as a housemate (what sort of a person are they?) and one as a viewer (how entertaining are they?) and he switches between the two.

I forgot to add, did Simon lie? Chloe doesn't deserve to win anyway :laugh:

I'm quite sure Producer's Pet #2 (Marc) will win after their Pet #1 (Helen) won last year

Doubt it

The old HM's are weary of the new ones & it does seem like a divide is happening in the house. I have a feeling Simon & Mark will be nominated next week due to the original group sticking together.
Which would be a shame as they are at least creating geniune reactions/conflicts with the HM's

Think you've hit the nail on the head really.

Is it a problem or only HIS though ?

Surely even the others know entertainment is a big part of it.
Think how they reacted at Simon in front of the camera proves they do.
Any co-incidence the most criticized (or up for eviction) are making the most noise ?

Many want to "stand up to someone" being right (and then more popular).
e.g. Danny tops the list of suspects.

Now maybe they ARE genuinely hacked off.
But see it as little co-incidence Chloe has suddenly come out of her shell.

Even if you just think "what sort of a person are they?"
You can perhaps mistakenly take the way people act inside the house as a true reflection of what they're really like.
They're all acting at times as much as they're often being themselves.

But yes, I DO want them to entertain me !
Having an argument is maybe just the easiest less imaginative option.

Oh come on.
Why do you think Marc is always trying to re-assure them ?
Yes there's a fine line but obviously some take it more seriously than others.
Sure they can confront him if they want to.
Doesn't mean they're necessarily right though.
Point is she's still 2 faced herself
We'll agree to disagree on that though.
They could have ALL voiced their own grievances to Simon 1 by 1.
Instead, they formed a collective group for greater effect to try to help win the argument.

The difference with how Marc acts is that he acts on his own. If he's facing off with someone he doesn't get backup. If there's ever a skew it won't be in his favour. Simon was sitting on his bed with 2/3 of the housemates standing around him in a circle berating him. That's ganging up and that is what Marc spoke up against.

I dislike Simon but it was uncomfortable seeing the originals behave like that.

Also, I'm not a fan of the conspiracy theories but why were they standing in a semi circle instead of a full circle. It had great staging to get all of them in shot. Looked good on camera but has an air of unnatural.



She got into his bed. And it's possible that he's falling for her too you know.

Marc is an awful housemate in every meaning of the word. Insulting, vulgar and I genuinely think he is trying to use Sam as she (the fool) seems to be falling for him. I don't like him and never will. Simon and he will hopefully be out next week. Using the word fat about a housemate who has struggled with her weight is HORRENDOUS even if only said in jest. He needs to think of peoples feelings and cop on. I didn't enjoy his fake display of his so called mahood either. Probably one of my most despised housemate ever