I think that animal testing in only justifyable if it is testing to see whether a specific drug or therapy cures a disease which a human will be seriously distressed from and / or die from.
I think that animal testing for cosmetics is completely out of order.

If you look at my post above, i am not talking about all this nail varnish and mascara etc, i'm talking about animal testing for new medicince, illness cures. That's my whole argument. Although i dislike animals anyway, i don't think killing them for a new mascara is right no.

well cosmetics, deoderant. etc etc and it wont stop..

I know what people mean witht he drugs thing but thats not what the testing is about the vast majority of the time!

I posted that before your post above

Yeah and that's fair enough your 100% against it for cosmetics, that's great but i was talking about people who still say no when it comes to medicine; even if it is just the minority of the time.

I know, i was just posting it saves repeating what i had said although i think i did. :hugesmile:

I'm totally against animal testing for cosmetics. I always make sure what I use isn't tested on animals. Though I argee with Ant that if it is vital and finding a cure for a illness that if necessary it shoule be used.

I have the same view as that really, I don't see why animals should be harmed unnecessarily e.g. for cosmetics; but when it comes to a life and death cause for us then obviously it would be beneficial to test on animals.

Well I must be "that stupid" as well.

Every year animals are subjected to experiments so painful and damaging that no one would ever do them on humans. On the other hand, these experiments are mostly done so that humans--and sometimes animals--will suffer less in the future. Deciding on whether or not to do a painful experiment on an animal can be a tough choice I would imagine.

The answer to stopping testing on animals may not be so simple. We need to weigh the benefits of the discoveries scientists hope to make from the research with the costs of making animals suffer. We should be concerned about how animals are treated in research, and we should all work to minimize--if not eliminate--the number of animals who suffer.

British law says that any new drug used for medicine, must be tested on at least two different types of live mammal. One of these must be a large non-rodent type animal.
This is to make sure the drug works and doesn't hurt you. If this is the case I would like to think that they improve the conditions that the animals live in.

Also the issues that need to be thought about are the conditions that they are kept in. Many animals are kept in small cages for their whole lives and are rarely allowed out of them other than for testing to be carried out. Is this fair on them, after all they are the ones that are helping to develop cures for diseases, vaccinations etc yet they are still afforded little if any dignity or quality of life.

In the UK, laws protect all lab animals from cruelty during testing.
Many people who are against animal testing claim that these laws are not being upheld and that animals are still subjected to horrific treatment. If this is the case how can we as an animla loving culture sit back and think "well its ok they are only dum animals" these animals can all feel pain and as someone who has just paid nearly £1,000 to keep my dog alive I feel very strongly about them being afforded some kind of dignity and respect.

Im not very good at these topics beacuse im not clever enough to undertstand the extreems of them, i think animals should only be tested on for medicines, and only using rats.

I think the problem is, most people only care about their precious dogs and cats and not about these poor animals that suffer :mad:

Totally cruel

I hope that you are not implying that I only care about my precious dog? I love my own animal dearly and would spend whatever it took to offer her a good qulaity of life, that said I am an animal lover across the board and have a regular donation goes from my bank account to an animal charity every month so I feel no guilt about being unable to do more.

I do however feel that as a society we are entitled to do as much as we can for our own animals without feeling guilty about other animals, I refuse to feel guilt for something that is completly out of my control

exactly.. My pet is very well looked after, the accusation that we have pets only for or own pleasure is unfair.

if it wasn't for pet owners there would be millions more animals suffering.

I had to quit being a vegetarian recently for health reasons:sad:
The doctor said I would be hospitalised if I carried on
But I only eat turkey and chicken, and I refuse to eat pork, lamb and beef.
But I will go back on the diet when I'm older and it was the hardest thing for me to give up.

There are two sides with animal testing.. One is that we would probably die if we didnt have animals to test medication and pills. the other is that it's cruel. The animals have no choice, they are forced into it.

Fur is a real issue with me. It's discraceful how these animals are treated they are beaten and skinned alive to be used for fashion. I have seen tapes and they just make me sick. It should be BANNED.

Animal testing is wrong is any cicumstance, its just evil, It needs to become illegal..Full stop.

Its good to see your not being a hypocryt about it, and even though you like animals think its an essential, which is the boat Im in.

Fur on the other hand- whats wrong with fake fur? Lol. I don't see why anyone would WANT a dead animal on them?:conf: