Originally Posted by JoshBB (Post 7943517)

It's actually quite offensive to compare the EU to a regime resulting in the death of MILLIONS, so stop.

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7943555)

how do you know it wont end up the same way down the line?

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7946734)

take the drachma you have no choice.....ps who do they actually owe this money to?

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7896692)

socialism is the poltics of envy these days, Europe is the politics of communism

Nigel Farage (UKIP, EFD): Mr Cameron heads to Brussels tomorrow, I think on 'mission impossible'. But it is a remarkable debate to think that the European Union is talking about taking another trillion euros from European taxpayers despite the fact that the accounts have not been signed off for 18 years in a row. If this was a company, the directors, or in this case the Commission, would all be in prison.

But never mind, Mr Cameron will go and he will argue for a freeze. Or what he means by a freeze - is the same over bloated budget with increases for inflation. That actually is the best, the very best that he can achieve in these negotiations. I have no doubt he will actually come home with the UK taxpayer having an even bigger bill. Well it won't work because the public opinion in Britain is now very clear. What our taxpayers are saying is 'Enough is enough.'

No longer do we wish to pay money to Hungarian companies involved in projects to "improve the lifestyle and living standards of dogs". And our patience has completely snapped at such cultural absurdities as the 400,000 euros given to the Flying Gorillas Dance Troupe who using their own language of "rhythm, music and gibberish" - well they'd fit in here well wouldn't they - give performances such as the "brilliant 'Smelly Foot Dance' with an acoustic score that includes spectacular belching." No, I'm not making it up.

And I think the British public are angry at the fleets of chauffeur driven cars, at the extravagant buildings and the never ending travelling circus that is the European Parliament.

We pay 53 million pounds a day to be a member of this organisation for no benefit whatsoever. Mr Cameron, when you come back from this Brussels summit why don't you accept my challenge, and let's have a proper and full debate in Britain on whether it's worth staying a member of this Union or not.

The last opinion polls over the weekend show that now, by a majority of two to one, the British people now want us to leave this Union and not pay you a penny piece.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7958679)

Yeah I think there is. Like, alot of people think that maybe our government lay down too easily to Europe and that they should have fought harder for us in our terms of repayment. People are feeling a bit hammered by new taxes and increases and cut backs and are pretty pissed off with it all, so there's a bit of understanding there for a country who just told them no, if you know what I mean?

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 7958733)

Yeah I see, it's difficult cause I suppose it makes you wonder how democratic it is when a government is basically being told 'accept these demands from banks and creditors or you're ruined'. Although there's also governments in europe under pressure from their populations to take a firm line and not allow the Greeks to give up their end of the bargain when their countries are owed millions. And how worth it is it to be so defiant if you'll be worse off in the long run :/ Both sides have overplayed their hands and been too stubborn imo, I do think if Greece had a more moderate government in power that it'd be easier to come to an agreement, their PM seems really erratic

Originally Posted by Eoin (Post 7961844)

The fact that people in Greece can't understand the question on the ballot paper is scary.

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 7962801)

Andrew Neil on our tv today was saying that he has a degree in Economics and even he can't work out half the question

The problem is that means both sides can twist the referendum to mean whatever they want. Syriza et al will equate 'no' with = standing up for Greeks and enabling a stronger negotiating position while the opposition are going to equate 'no' with = leave the Euro and ensure even harder times to come. How are Greece supposed to come to a decision on this? And even if they can, so what? They're voting on an agreement that apparently became redundant when they called this referendum. It's madness

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7963290)

If they could do it without cuts resulting in the deaths of citizens surely they would... they're not Britain are they?

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7963322)

Well it looks looks like it's Germany or Russia... who would you pick?