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Exactly!Where are all these refugee families in this picture?
There needs to be direct contact with countries like Syria with genuine refugees so that the people we do take in are the ones that need the help rather than just taking in economic migrants and ISIS members.

Even if we accept the 'economic migrants' argument, it cannot be too hard to work out those from the genuine refugees. Those coming from Syria are clearly refugees and we have taken barely any while countries like Germany and Sweden take thousands. I also have sympathy for countries like Hungary and Macedonia who are having to bear the brunt of this influx when they are impoverished countries themselves and we twiddle our thumbs. The UK - and the EU at large - response to this has been an absolute shambles when this is precisely the situation where we should see the benefit of our common European project

There has been so much bad press toward immigration that even justifiable cases are sneered at these days. Its always the same, we seem to be incapable as a nation of being measured in our reactions.

If Europe focussed its attention on the main immigrant entry points, then the immigrants that we eventually see here will all have justifiable reasons for being here, and their numbers quantifiable

It does no one any good to behave and react like headless chickens

...good post Matt...

..I think if it can ever be thought that anything positive could happen with the death of a child or anyone else...it's that now with the tragic death and images of Aylan Kurdi, the refugees are no longer 'nameless and faceless' so they can be 'humanised' and that I think has been a thing before..that it's so much more easy for government to dither etc with faceless and nameless people..no more passing of bucks/blame. finger pointing etc and just action hopefully and the foundations of a solution...

Yes now the PM has said he will take more from Syria
as they have no nation to return to

70 odd men women and children die a horrific death in a lorry - no image

1 wee boy washed up on a beach - many images


interesting the different reactions

But as soon as they tried that the Illegals
ran back to the train and refused to move, yesterday


So although Hungary wants to Register them
they refused.
As it well known if they go to Germany they get
Euro Passports
and then can go onto England.

YES LT
that Lorry was Far Worse

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/...1322162579.jpg
Look at all the Cameras rush in
its all for TV News and Newspaper Frontpages

Our govt have a hard time humanising our own children in need, they are well aware of how their actions have impacted on the world, they're not dithering because they don't know they're stalling because they do.
The misinformation and the fear generated in the press has filtered through there and yet there is this image of little Aylan that's pricked the public consciousness and burst the apathetic bubble. He's not the first there have been hundreds washing up on shorelines for months, it's only now the pressure from other countries has become so great the UK has been forced to act hence the swing to the humanitarian angle.

and if we put up a sign saying "all welcome" many more images like that wee boy will be published

So what's the answer, carry on ignoring the issue?
That's not an option any longer, the pressure is on the EU to act, we're not responding with 'all welcome' we're not responding at all compared with other countries.

The Good thing The PM will do
is take familys Direct from camps in Syria via UN
not the Illegal way.

The PM is about to speak Live from Portugal

Hungary does not want Muslims
staying there.

Thats against the Rules

Looks like we're going to be increasing the number of refugees we're taking in x 3 times now, still not loads but any increase is positive

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I think it was the Czech leader who said that the main problem is that the EU is lying and than around 95% of the migrants are economic

So theyy are leaving their homes and paying smugglers 1000s because they're poor?...

The Hungarian opposition leader said that many of them appear to be (by their attire, mobiles and amount paid to travel) a lot wealthier than the average Hungarian!

So they're richer than most people in the countries they're risking their lives to get into..........makes sense :think:

Or... normal people trying not to get killed?

Is it not more about the people who are bringing them. If the smugglers did not exist perhaps people would not leave?

If the smugglers did not exist would the people in that area still be under threat?

So on the one hand the vast majority of them are economic migrants (i.e. fleeing poverty) but on the other many of them are quite wealthy? Why would the EU lie as well, if 95% of them were economic migrants that seems exactly the sort of thing they would want to be known if it gives a reason for countries to not have to take very many

Although I said it can't be hard to work out who is a refugee, I suppose there is a difficulty about when someone goes from being a refugee to an 'economic migrant'. How bad does your country have to be to qualify as the former? Surely people would concede that those from Syria and Libya are refugees? A lot of African migrants are from Eritrea which has North Korean levels of oppression but are they refugees? What about those from Sudan? The definitions can be blurred quite easily. I think Cameron has made a sensible start by pledging to accept more from refugee camps within Syria itself but there is no simple solution here.