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In answer to your last sentence though, no we wouldn't have to bump off all our old dears but this lady came to her own conclusion and decided that was how she saw her fate. As I said in my earlier post, and indeed at dignitaries, the person is evaluated to ensure they are of sound mind and it is THEIR decision and theirs alone. They insist on people taking their own medication to end their own life and tape it for legal proof. It can be no one else's decision, only the patients. |
It cost 150 euros and a one way ticket, money isn't the issue it's meant to be dignity in death isn't it? I'd like to know what the doctors tasked with performing these 'suicides' feel about the issue. Will it be available on the NHS or private enterprise only?
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this is a great decision today....we must never go down this path
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The bill should be passed, it's a strawman argument to deny it based on wild assumptions that people would use it for murder.
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The removal of many cancer treatments this week basically is assisted suicide isn't it? it will speed up the end for 1000s they don't need this vote sadly.
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Forget it.....
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do you actually read the effects this disaster has had in other nations where thoussands of innocents have died...this is the loony left at its most evil
im delighted this evil bill is voted down unanimously....how these people claim to care for the tiny minority who wish to kill themselves yet say nothing about the thousands who are neglected in the nhs and the most vulnerable many of whom would suffer as a result of this horrific suggestion..as weve seen in Holland thousands have died without consent We don’t need to speculate. The Netherlands has already gone down this slippery slope and provided the grizzly statistics that should stop us going down the same path. A 1973 court decision in the Netherlands started the process. Doctors and lawyers set strict guidelines to restrict when doctors could assist a terminally ill patient who wanted to commit suicide, and to protect a terminally ill patient who didn’t want to be euthanized (i.e., killed). “In only 23 years, Dutch doctors have gone from being permitted to kill the terminally ill who ask for it, to killing the chronically ill who ask for it, to killing newborn babies in their cribs because they have birth defects, even though by definition they cannot ask for it. Dutch doctors also engage in involuntary euthanasia without significant legal consequence, even though such activity is officially prohibited,” writes Wesley J. Smith in Forced Exit: The Slippery Slope from Assisted Suicide to Legalized Murder. After the guidelines had been in place for 23 years, doctors were surveyed about people they euthanized. Incidentally, doctors later admitted they had under-reported euthanasia cases, so the following statistics are actually less than what really happened. In 1990, 130,000 people died in the Netherlands: 2,300 people asked doctors to kill them; 400 asked doctors to provide them with the means to kill themselves; 8,100 died when doctors deliberately gave them an overdose of pain medication to kill them (for which 4,941 patients didn’t consent); 1,040 people died when doctors euthanized them without their knowledge or consent (72 per cent of those never having given any indication they would want their lives terminated). That’s breathtaking in more than one way. It’s not so much that nine per cent died at the hands of doctors, which is alarming in and of itself. What should raise our cries of outrage is that 4,941 people (four per cent) did not give their consent to being killed. A doctor who operates on someone without their consent can be successfully sued and made to pay huge dollars for having done so. The same should apply for killing a person without their consent. And it’s the 1,040 people (one percent) who were killed without their knowledge or consent and the 749 who never wanted to die early that should get us up in arms. |
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no one should have to suffer. if someone makes this decision for themselves, they should have support from everyone to make it as nice and comfortable for them as we can.
Most people don't understand the kind of pain and suffering that some diseases can cause. We all like to think that some day we will just pass away quietly in our sleep, but for most people that is not the case. |
There are some very compelling arguments on both sides, I'm really torn on it, people have been given 6 months to live and gone on relatively pain free for years so a one size fits all approach is not the answer either.
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Speaking purely from a personal POV; I believe that I could live with physical illness no matter how much pain I was in, until a 'natural' end came, but if the day ever came (God forbid it) that my brain degenerated - dementia, whatever - then I would NOT want to exist in such a condition, and would desire an 'assisted' end.
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I respect all the views on this issue,there are compelling arguments both for and against it.
However, had I been able to vote on this issue yesterday,I would have voted against it. I just feel it would probably be too easy to get the permission for same. I would hate to see economics and cost of treatments and cost of time, ever being 'secretly' the real reason some people hade their lives terminated. I can see both sides totally but the people who get in power,driven by profit and economics,then the way the NHS and Doctors can 'appear' to be at times in this modern age,I feel at present, never enough safeguards could be 100% for sure, put in place as to assisting a death. So on balance, I am pleased this failed again yesterday. |
Reading the first page of this thread you would think anyone could just rock up at A&E and collect their free shot of poison.
Yes it should be made legal but of course it has to come with very strict guidlines and used in a tiny minority of people at the end of their lives that have no prospect other than agonising pain,certain death and no prospect of any quality of life left. Maybe this proposition didnt cover enough bases to make it feasible but it certainly wasnt some easy out for anybody that wanted it. I hope they go back to the drawing board and come up with a viable solution because there is no doubt that this would be a much better,respectable and humane option for some people. |
It would be something that the state either had to manage or regulate and let's face it they're trying to offload as much as poss atm so this has no chance.
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I ask this of all people who want to legalise assisted suicide? where is your compassion for the mass of people neglected or abused? |
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