Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8153516)

Hang on...
'The investigatory powers legislation is expected to include powers to require internet and phone companies to collect and store for 12 months the browsing histories of customers along with detailed records of voice calls, messaging and text services.'

That's not 'suspects' that's everyone

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 8153523)

Nobody should endorse Security firms getting even more authority to invade our privacy. It annoys me how people are so willing to throw away their rights at the mention of terrorists or peadophiles and how naive they are to think that's all it would be used for.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8153516)

Hang on...
'The investigatory powers legislation is expected to include powers to require internet and phone companies to collect and store for 12 months the browsing histories of customers along with detailed records of voice calls, messaging and text services.'

That's not 'suspects' that's everyone

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 8153384)

its not a simple 1 dimensional issue. Civil liberties will be eroded by extending surveillance measures and at some point (different for everyone) the boundaries of acceptability will be exceeded. If we live in a truly free society which is what our powers that be are supposed to aspire to, then they have already sacrificed liberties in the name of security.

Does security infringe on how we carry out our day to day lives, no not yet. Does living in fear that a madman will shoot up a theatre or bomb public places infringe on or freedom, no not yet. The latter is probably still true because the security measures we have are successful, we know many threats have been thwarted before terrorists got a chance to go wild. What would have happened without those surveillance measures?

So, we have a balance at the moment that seems to be quite effective. If terrorists start beating the current measures, and they start to become successful, then we should up our game and increase surveillance, but at the moment, as terrorists have had very little success here, I personally don't see a need for any further measures.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8153540)

We're talking at our security services, not security firms.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 8153581)

You say tomato...

The phrasing is irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8153538)

Bleh. Might finally be time to shell out for a VPN subscription.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8153639)

It's only a matter of time before various security issues are offloaded to private firms anyway, surely. Tories have trouser-busting boners for privatisation.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8153665)

I can't see that flying. Although if Corbyn ever gets in they'll probably go the same way as our membership of NATO will. Of course that will make it easier for his chums in Hamas and Hezbollah to get in.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 8153656)

If you do that, it highlights that you are using methods to hide what you are doing and then you become more of a person of interest :laugh:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8153667)

And the Sith.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 8153656)

If you do that, it highlights that you are using methods to hide what you are doing and then you become more of a person of interest [emoji23]

Originally Posted by livia (Post 8153672)

i can't see ts ever being described as a person of interest.

i'm kidding. I am!

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8153722)

words can be like fists

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8153737)

You crazy leftie.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 8153523)

Nobody should endorse Security firms getting even more authority to invade our privacy. It annoys me how people are so willing to throw away their rights at the mention of terrorists or peadophiles and how naive they are to think that's all it would be used for.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8153781)

Ebonyyy, and ivoryyy, except you're a jeeew, not blaaack , but close enooough.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8153943)

Store the records of the entire population.. And how long will it be before they are dipping into that info for everything?

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 8153975)

They will be, that's the big downside. Remember "a previous government" wanted all our medical details held in a giant system too, and were negotiating to sell that information overseas. We don't have privacy, many young people have already sacrificed their privacy for life by using social media. Once you are in the systems, its already too late.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8153825)

It amazes me how many people would be willing slaves, so long as they're comfortable slaves.