Yes but gender identity isn't something thats assigned by chomosones so it comes down to how you chose to define man and woman I suppose

Well, the fact is that no person born biologically a woman has the Y chromosome. Transgender women do. That's the scientific fact. But like I say, that doesn't mean that if someone feels they are "in the wrong body" they should be denied that chance to live as they choose.

I'm not sure what Greer is thinking. Maybe like lostalex says she just being vicious, or maybe there's another agenda. I don't have much time for her in any case.

She's a TWERP or whatever it is Josh said. These people who define themselves with acronyms or other such labels tend to follow a set of arbitrary "rules" that half of the time they don't have any real, well thought out, valid reasoning for. They are people who "choose" their pre-defined philosophies from a selection (usually online these days) and then "follow the rules" for the one they've chosen. This woman is a TARD so she believes that only women who are born women are women, because that's what everyone else with her prescribed belief system says.

It's the censorship I object to, as an academic an intellectual an author and a Woman why is she denied voicing an opinion?
socialisation is not archaic stereotyping when it suits, nor is it misogyny to counter any discussion with debate on the issue.

I don't see this as being as simple as genetics, the crux is that truly to identify as female there has to have been that transition from girl to woman as opposed to man to woman?

I agree here.All kids have their own unique experiences as children.No matter their gender.I'd say gender only comes into the equation as they get older.

You don't think boys and girls are treated differently at all, and boys and girls don't interact with each other differently?
I think that's primarily what helps shape gender identity and prepares men to be men and women to be women.
That's not to say that men can't be women or visa versa, however expecting trans people to have the life experience as the opposite sex is impossible as it just didn't happen.

I agree with this also obviously^

But one boy can have a totally different experience to another and the same with girls.I don't think gender plays a huge role until later on.I mean kids are kids.They might play with different toys or whatever but it's not a major thing.

But then i agree with this too.Germaine Greer's just a nasty opinionated twat tbqh.

What a gender specific derogatory term to level at someone for having an opinion.

Primary and secondary socialisation most certainly is a major thing, it's what shapes our thinking.

I don't discriminate,I call blokes twats too and pricks:laugh:

Exactly, men can be twats and women can most certainly be dicks. :hehe:

She's not denied an opinion she's entitled to it, as are those who disagree with her. I haven't said she should be censored. My point is that what she's saying sounds misoginistic because of her implying that women should act a certain way, which surely goes against feminism?

Yeah I agree with the factual-ness (not a word) of that and I'm not a biology expert or anything but the way I view it, is that our chromosomes are only a part of what form us physically and so are only really relevant as a focal point when looking at how we are going to be formed, rather than using them retroactively as a definition of who we currently are(I'm not saying that's what you're doing I'm just speaking generally on the issue of chromosones being brought into things), when everything including psychology is taken into consideration. So having a particular chromosone might mean we develop a penis at the beginning but if at a later stage we decide to change that surgically due to psychological reasons then it becomes something that is irrelevant in determining who we are. They're kind of the building blocks but we're so complex that we're able to say, ok, my body formed in that way for that particular reason, but this is who I actually am. And so it just comes down to whether a person should be judged gender wise based on how they were initially formed, or its based on everything taken into consideration and more importantly imo, who they judge themselves to be. And although science can be used as a way of determining someones biological sex, it can't be used to determine someone's gender because it's not a physical thing that can be seen. If any of that makes sense lol

Yet the vid is about her being restricted from speaking on the subject somewhere.
She isn't implying anything, feminism is a female issue.
It's not misogynistic to suggest becoming a woman does not make you privvy to all that being a female entails, it doesn't it's a lifelong learning curve.

spot on, shes evil pure and simple a spiteful bigot her motivation is all based on male hate....she was on question time a few years ago and said all fathers were perverts and teach their daughters how to seduce men etc etc sick....watch this crap its hard to believe....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjVDYPAuRh0

and to think she was the biggest voice behind the so called feminism rise in the 1960s and 70s....her revisionary history is very dangerous and is used to brainwash young children especially young girls who are taught to hate men. I know several young girls taught feminism all with A grades in all their exams who have NEVER heard of Lloyd George, the man who fought tooth and nail to get women the vote and working class men the vote and who taxed the rich first and created the welfare state national insurance contributions which later formed the nhs. how can feminists not even teach kids about Lloyd George? because hes a man?

its generalized drivel about an entire group of people. she can say what she likes, ultimately shes driven by hate

I'm all for freedom of speech but if Greer is allowed to voice her view on tg's from a podium, that talk needs to be balanced by someone else with an opposing view.

My question to her would be, "what's your opinion on hermaphrodites? I bet that would throw the cat amongst the pigeons!

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Honestly there is nowhere near as much divide between the genders as people make out - the only difference really would be masculinity and feminity - which are both caused by social influence.

Germaine Greer is such a Harry Potter name, you can just picture her as some crazy old witch cackling away in a shack surrounded by cats.

Then have it balanced don't just deny her the right to speak.

The issue is on transgender specifically male to female, I happen to agree with her when she suggests it is rather a patriarchal to give 'woman of the year' to someone that up until 4 months ago was a man.

Is this the gamers opinion?

No, it's my opinion on a bitter old woman who likes to make big statements to the press about vunerable members of society, just so she can stay important.