Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8348865)

can we stop pretending like this isn't happening all over the muslim world. this is not a Saudi problem, this is a Muslim problem.

MUSLIM, the M word, put it in your mouth and chew on it a bit, get used to it, and get used to saying it when we are taking about problems in the arab world...

seriously people, wake up.

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 8348900)

Is this directed at me?

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 8348946)

Just the person who can't see your posts any more :)

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 8348837)

I think this voting system is an absolute sham. A woman can only vote if her husband, brother or farther escort her to the polling station. Lots of husbands, brothers and fathers won't want their women to vote and simply won't escort them which means only the more liberal families will use the female vote.

They have only provided a certain amount of polling stations where women can vote which means many will have to travel great distances to get there.

I don't agree that these women choose this culture and actually I don't believe a lot of the men choose this oppression for their women either. Saudi law is dictated by religion right down to the last detail and men (there have been many) who have tried to speak out against female oppression, risk either being murdered or imprisoned.

When a woman's destiny is dependent on the man’s goodness and generosity we have to accept that many of these women are nothing more than slaves.

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 8349903)

Saudi bashing is very in vogue right now but the WEF actually ranks them above Egypt, Jordan, Morocco and quite a few others for gender equality. We can't expect the whole world to be modelled on Western terms and on what we consider is right/wrong. This vote shows that most of the time it is countries who change themselves rather than having that forced upon them

Originally Posted by Cherie Christmas (Post 8349959)

If MTVN wasn't half my age (and I already had a him indoors) I would propose :flutter:

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 8349903)

Saudi bashing is very in vogue right now but the WEF actually ranks them above Egypt, Jordan, Morocco and quite a few others for gender equality. We can't expect the whole world to be modelled on Western terms and on what we consider is right/wrong. This vote shows that most of the time it is countries who change themselves rather than having that forced upon them

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 8349983)

And I would accept if the thought of a woman proposing to a man didn't horrify me, this would never happen in Saudi

Originally Posted by PeppermintMokka (Post 8350003)

And more over... why do we expect sweeping changes over night that will bring them inline with western culture??? In my country... only women who were land owners were given the vote initially... and then many years after women were given the vote, aboriginals were, It's an evolution towards equality... that frankly still isn't 100% equality as it stands now anyways.