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Northern Monkey 08-01-2016 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by sampvt (Post 8404527)
If you feel that a child should have the love of a mother and the guidance of a father in the traditional family way, then Winston is right.

If however you feel the kid does not need these traditional values, then he is wrong.

2 different views but any kid brought up in a male dominated environment will have to run the gauntlet of kids at school who are not as forgiving as our PC society and might find they have gender issues which they might follow just to please their adopted parents.

Personally I believe in the sanctity of the traditional marriage and family life, but that's the way I was brought up.

I also believe that the ideal enviroment for a child is a mum and dad.A balanced upbringing and view of the world.

Niamh. 08-01-2016 09:32 PM

I believe a child needs love, stability and interest

Jamie89 08-01-2016 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Guuki (Post 8404481)
That was his opinion like any other opinion. Come on. He is Christian, gay couples are against his religion and he's not supporting adoptions by homosexual couples. Opinion and views like any others. Give him a break.

:umm2: How do you explain that some Christians support gay couples adopting? People who use religion to justify their homophobia are cowards. He has his own mind to form his views so blaming the bible isn't an excuse. And saying it's 'child abuse' isn't simply 'not supporting' it. It's a hateful thing to say.

Northern Monkey 08-01-2016 09:38 PM

There are certain qualities that a mother brings to the table that a man just can't do as well and vice versa.Kids need both imo for a balanced upbringing.

Jamie89 08-01-2016 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8404683)
There are certain qualities that a mother brings to the table that a man just can't do as well and vice versa.Kids need both imo for a balanced upbringing.

Like what? And do you know any kids who have been brought up by same sex parents that have turned out unbalanced?

Niamh. 08-01-2016 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8404683)
There are certain qualities that a mother brings to the table that a man just can't do as well and vice versa.Kids need both imo for a balanced upbringing.


If I died in the morning I would be 100% confident that my husband could give my kids everything they need

Northern Monkey 08-01-2016 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8404883)
If I died in the morning I would be 100% confident that my husband could give my kids everything they need

I'm sure he could do an excellent job just as i'd hope i could but i know that they also need their mums love in the perfect enviroment.Women are just better at certain things imo.My kids run straight to their mum if they hurt themself for comfort but come to me for other things like if they're scared.Things like that.

Northern Monkey 08-01-2016 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamie89 (Post 8404866)
Like what? And do you know any kids who have been brought up by same sex parents that have turned out unbalanced?

No but plenty with single mothers.Men and women both have things they're better at.

LukeB 08-01-2016 09:59 PM

what he said made no sense, the child don't get a choice with straight couples either.. so it's no different to a gay couple.. so he is an idiot

Tom4784 08-01-2016 10:01 PM

He's just a bigoted idiot that was desperately trying to hide it.

T* 08-01-2016 10:08 PM

The child doesn't have a ****ing choice in anything anyway

Vicky. 08-01-2016 10:09 PM

Children dont ever get a choice in who their parents are, it was a bizarre way of trying to justify his views :umm2:

Beso 08-01-2016 10:16 PM

i wonder what % of gay couples only adopt a child of the same sex? anyone got figures?

Vicky. 08-01-2016 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 8405225)
i wonder what % of gay couples only adopt a child of the same sex? anyone got figures?

Does that sort of thing get tracked?

And why do you wonder?

genuinely curious :laugh:

Beso 09-01-2016 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 8405250)
Does that sort of thing get tracked?

And why do you wonder?

genuinely curious :laugh:

things like that interest me.:blush:

JoshBB 09-01-2016 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8404683)
There are certain qualities that a mother brings to the table that a man just can't do as well and vice versa.Kids need both imo for a balanced upbringing.

Gender roles are a social construct

Northern Monkey 09-01-2016 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by JoshBB (Post 8405959)
Gender roles are a social construct

It's all very well typing sound bites like that but when you have kids and see the benefits they get from their mother,Specially with boys then experience says otherwise.There is no substitute for a mothers love and a fathers.I'm sure two males or females can do an adequate job but is adequate good enough?I would prefer the best possible enviroment.But hey that might just be me.
People wanting kids VS Best enviroment for kids to grow into balanced adults.
The latter wins for me.Some people seem to think having children is a right,No matter the consequences.

JoshBB 09-01-2016 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8406019)
It's all very well typing sound bites like that but when you have kids and see the benefits they get from their mother,Specially with boys then experience says otherwise.There is no substitute for a mothers love and a fathers.I'm sure two males or females can do an adequate job but is adequate good enough?I would prefer the best possible enviroment.But hey that might just be me.
People wanting kids VS Best enviroment for kids to grow into balanced adults.
The latter wins for me.Some people seem to think having children is a right,No matter the consequences.

What a load of rubbish. Whether or not parents are good or not depends how they dedicate themselves to their children, not the gender of each of them.

Northern Monkey 09-01-2016 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by JoshBB (Post 8406030)
What a load of rubbish. Whether or not parents are good or not depends how they dedicate themselves to their children, not the gender of each of them.

Nobodies saying they can't be "good" parents.However two good mums or two good dads just is'nt the same as a good mum and dad.

JoshBB 09-01-2016 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8406037)
Nobodies saying they can't be "good" parents.However two good mums or two good dads just is'nt the same as a good mum and dad.

Why? Because they're gay? That automatically makes them less capable of raising children?

Vicky. 09-01-2016 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8406037)
Nobodies saying they can't be "good" parents.However two good mums or two good dads just is'nt the same as a good mum and dad.

But these children, if not adopted, have NO mum and dad. Surely its better to have 2 mums, or 2 dads, or even one mum or one dad...than having no parents at all and growing up in care :S

seanraff07 09-01-2016 01:16 AM

Makes zero sense, you don't get an option biologically.

The guy is a prat, that's the summary of this debate.

zakman440 09-01-2016 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 8405053)
He's just a bigoted idiot that was desperately trying to hide it.

.

ThriceShy 09-01-2016 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8404386)
No child has a choice on who it's parents are biological or adopted


Perhaps he thinks the child should have a right to have an actual mother. You know, like all mammals do. It's kind of the normal run of events.

mistybluesea 09-01-2016 02:12 AM

Children don't get a say in anything, it's not a valid reason to think gay couples shouldn't adopt.


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