Wasn't IDS 'democratically elected'? And any flack Comrade Corbyn might have taken is not on the same level as being intimidated by baying idiots who are attempting to physically stop you from going about your lawful business.

Finally, who is trying to stop you voicing your individual opinions?

The point is IDS is very unaccessible too, when he does interviews on TV he rarely gets much in depth criticism,I still remain astounded the night he was on Question Time and there were no questions as to benefit cuts through the whole programme.

He hides behind his Parliamentary privilege and loves lecturing but not being cross examined.
he throws out any information he is informed of by Charities, welfare groups the CAB, and all others who look into what is happening to those affected by his heartless cuts to benefits,he dismisses and generally just says that should not be happening, wile not lifting a finger to stop it happening.

Rarely has any Minister warranted such rotten criticism of him and anger being directed at him than he does.
I think he is the worst politician around at present and for me he wouldn't be an MP let alone a Minister.

Then he has the audacity to call himself a Christian,well if I walked into a Catholic Church and he was in it, I would be straight out the door not wanting to breathe the same air let alone be anywhere near him.

If they were not already in place, heartless arrogance and total ignorance could have been his inventions.

I'm talking about brainless wonders being intimidating and committing threatening behaviour and attempting to unlawfully detain someone against their will.

Corbyn is bayed at by supporters of Herr Smith ...So what? it happens.
All ministers and leaders have their supporters and their detractors, they didn't stop him doing what he was doing so no harm done, it's still not undemocratic.

They shouted at the brainless wonder from 100 ft away and while he was in a vehicle, I'd say he was pretty safe.

They can CLEARLY be heard to be screaming in their mangled English not to let the car leave, and they were mere yards away. If the police were not present who knows what would have transpired.

They are shouting yes, the rest is pure conjecture.

He is being investigated for human rights abuses ( I think) thought I saw that somewhere, may be wrong though. My guess is he would go up in flames if he stepped in a church Joey.

Ah, here it is...

The UN is to visit the UK to investigate whether Iain Duncan Smith’s welfare reforms have caused “grave or systematic violations” of disabled peoples’ human rights, it has been reported.

A leading disability charity says that they have been contacted by the UN Committee on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities as part of an investigation into human rights abuses against disabled people in the UK.

Inclusion Scotland, a consortium of disability organisations in Scotland, says the UN committee has advised them that they will be sending a Special Rapporteur to the UK in the “near future” as part of their probe.

Director of Policy Bill Scott told The Sunday Herald: “The UN have notified us they will be visiting Britain to investigate… and want to meet with us when they come, sometime in the next few months.''

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10478536.html

For God's sake:

8 seconds into the video - despite the male inbreed's incessant strangled cries of 'Murderer' - is the female cry "We don't want them getting out".

And while we are at it, look at the truth behind your other delusional claim:

"They shouted at the brainless wonder from 100 ft away and while he was in a vehicle, I'd say he was pretty safe."

They were AT THE CAR WINDOWS and surrounding the bloody car!

:facepalm:

These people have a genuine grievance, your mocking use of language to describe them does not detract from that.

Yes he was in a vehicle, How could they manhandle him from there are you going to presume they use some kind of force? Again that would be pure fantasy.

This was proven again this week, when it emerged that the Department for Work and Pensions’ fit-to-work assessments actually cost more money than they save. An official report by the government’s own financial watchdog revealed the damning fact that while the DWP is paying £1.6 billion for the tests between now and 2020, the system is expected to save the government less than £1bn during the same period.'

Just because we have had six years of austerity rhetoric doesn’t mean that we should ever accept the government’s campaign of cuts is about being financially sensible rather than right-wing ideology. Prejudice against the working class is something the Conservatives have long-held; ‘austerity’ is merely being co-opted as the current convenient and socially acceptable veneer through which to administer it.

The government can try as much as it likes to frame the austerity debate as one of prudence, paternalism or public interest but the reality is that the numbers simply do not add up. Austerity in 2015 is not about economics but ideology, and the most vulnerable people in our society will suffer under it for as long as the Conservatives continue to convince us otherwise

'The country is paying £600 million to actively hound vulnerable benefits claimants, with no benefit to taxpayers at all.

A critical glance elsewhere within the government’s austerity programme shows similar cracks through which their ideological motivations of rolling back the state and advancing middle class interests burst through, groaning under the strain of feigned sincerity about economic prudence.

It is not about financial prudence following the recession but strategic rolling back of the state and removal of support for vulnerable people, in line with the Conservatives’ ideology.


http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a6807741.html

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2: Your confused and conradictory posts kill me Kizzy, honestly: -

What You Wrote:

"They shouted at the brainless wonder from 100 ft away..":

What You Criticise Me For: .

"... your mocking use of language to describe them"

Yes I did, I used the same terminology you did in the post previous to describe the protesters if you noticed.
I was just mirroring you to show you how it looks.

:laugh: Yeah, of course you were, but there was no need - IDS is a brainless wonder and these 'protesters' are inbred morons.

I am keeping off this thread now,before I get really angry.
I just learned,surprisingly,one of my Cousins were one of those as described on here as 'inbred morons',(absolutely disgusting terminology), taking part in this.

As you say most with likely genuine grievances,they would have been hailed on here were it against a Labour politician.

That's it I am done on this thread,you have made really good points all through Kizzy and no way would I give an ounce of credit or support to IDS.
In my view he himself invites all the negativity against him.

Wonder if the protesters in Cannock and Staffordshire were inbred too?... Seems inbreds follow IDS everywhere :/

First of all; I apologise for my terminology if your cousin was one of those taking part in this, but I hope that he was not one of the principals seen and heard in the video because:

This was NOT some 'peaceful protest' and the sheep-like bleating of 'Murderer' and the other cries WERE moronic.

These 'protesters' WERE right up against the car NOT '100 feet away'.

These 'protesters WERE intent in unlawfully preventing the car from leaving.

These 'protesters' WERE being threatening.

These 'protesters' were becoming increasing more volatile and if it were not for the police presence, this situation COULD and probably WOULD have escalated into some form of violence.

And NO - these 'protesters' would NOT have been 'hailed' by me had they been acting in the same undemocratic, intimidating manner against some 'Labour' politician.

And NO, Kizzy views have NOT made really good points all the way through - they have been countered and exposed and done more 'U turns' than Jeremy Corbyn.

This is supposed to be Serious Debates, but it is neither 'Serious' - when mere Left wing propaganda is not only trotted out without substantiation, but continues to be trotted out in the face of factual response to the contrary - nor is it 'Debate', when NOTHING is debated because the truth is ignored whenever that truth does not agree with wild Left Wing claims.

I did not vote Tory. I do not like IDS or agree with his policies, but neither do I agree with 'Mob Rule' or the attempt by ANY group to impose their will by threat and intimidation - against the laws of this country.

IDS has as much rights as anyone else to go about his lawful business without being accosted by ugly mobs - as did Farage when he was out with his family for a quiet lunch when another violent moronic mob invaded his privacy and jumped on his car - and I will reiterate just WHY I vehemently oppose these types of 'protests':

"We have a democratic process for expressing discontent with a political party, but more than that, we have a time-honoured tradition outside of that process for peaceful protest including heckling and jeering, and this being the GREAT DEMOCRACY it is, such peaceful protesters can exercise that tradition safe from being murdered or brutalised by the state - as in other countries.

These mobs are NOT peaceful protesters though - are they?"

Not everything bad in this country is the fault of the Tories, and the Labour Party and Left Wing are not some blameless paragons of virtue, but the ballot box and PEACEFUL orderly protest are the ways forward for anyone who disagrees with Government policy - NOT trying to impose their way by threat and intimidation.

I respect Joey and if he feels I have made good points then that his business I guess.
Nothing I have said has been countered or exposed and I have made no U turns on any issue.
This is news, it is and was reported in the news which is why I offered it up for discussion.
Nothing is being debated, all I have taken from your posts is the protesters have questionable parentage, which has offended at least one person as they are directly related to those accused.

Sorry Joey didn't notice this last night, thank you for your support I say well done to your cousin for voicing his feelings directly.
Government ministers are slowly becoming the untouchables who cannot be criticised or questioned as seen recently with Hunts representative refusing to respond during a live interview.
In a democracy there still has to be accountability, I feel slowly avenues are being blocked and sections of society are being theoretically kettled. These marginalised groups are then campaigning for awareness of their plight to reach the public for support, some being more successful than others.
Over recent months there have been countless reports of reduced charity funding, welfare relating to these with disabilities, resources, services and facilities.
Not to mention pressures due to housing issues relating to bedroom tax.

Who is listening... is it any wonder their voices are getting louder and louder and more desperate?
The 'I'm alright jack' attitude pervades until there is an ounce of civil disobedience, then the onus is placed not on the provocation but those who initiate that response for criticism!
It's crazy, pitting society against one another on every aspect is the order of the day.

I'm guessing some people in this thread would be a lot more sympathetic if the IDS weren't killing people on benefits because who cares about vulnerable people on benefits amirite? They're just parasites at the end of day aren't they so who cares if they're being erroneously taken off benefits they need to live and put in harm's way? They're just dole dossers and they deserve what they get because I pay taxes and that means I can pass judgement on my 'lessers' with a clean conscience.

The protesters didn't pose any kind of physical threat to the officials, the only threat they posed was that they wanted to delay them from their next appointment. These officials deserve to know the negative impact their murderous decisions are having, being called a murderer is a lot more civil than some of the more 'civilised and obviously better people' would have if they lost a loved one to the IDS' awful decisions.

Exactly at any moment any one of us are a fateful moment away from where these people are. The more I read back on certain regimes and attitudes to the mentally and physically incapacitated the more reminiscent it appears over recent times.

Irrespective of peoples feelings about IDS and I am among those who can't stand him. You cannot personally attack someone and try and stop him going about his business. He performed the same function in the last government, and people voted for that government to continue their work, which they are doing. Try and win the next election

37% of the electorate voted Conservative, who try win the next election, disabled people?
If they being personally affected feel justified due to the accusations of human rights violations to voice that to IDS then fair play. He's not the first politician to be harassed for his part in legislative changes and he won't be the last.
Some are slated more regularly for less

Keep quoting percentages all you like. That is the method of democracy that we have in this country. Sour grapes is all i see in this thread, no hint of respecting democracy that is LAW within our country.

Yes it is, nobody is suggesting that democratic proceedure be changed, the only issue is that of restrictions due to policy changes, legislative amendments and funding restrictions... 'sour grapes' mean nothing to me, what are these grapes in reference to?
Opinions have been voiced, no respect is given to policies which effectively kill people nor should they, which is why IDS has questions to answer in relation to human rights violations.