Put the cork back in the bottle marsh :laugh:

What do Tiffany fans think about Gemmas new bitch ? I must admit she sure looks fine when she carries Gemmas sh-t for her....just got that touch of finess that Bell Boy Chris hasn't quite got....but she's not reached his status of servitude just yet,,,,she's gonna have to learn how to smear fake tan on the Mooses family allowance before she gets to those dizzy heights of submission

Deflection because there's no defence of John's crass nomination?

I dont know what his father died off, but I do identify with what he said about his mothers illness, which sound as if it is quite advanced. My mother had Alzheimers disease before she died. It is an awful disease that takes away every trace of the person that you once knew and loved. The mother that I loved "died" mentally about 3 years before her physical death. My family did our mourning then, when she actually died it was a release for both her & us. The fact that he put his career on hold to care for as long as he could makes him worthy of some credit. I think he was just using his experience to demonstrate how vile Gemma has been to him & other housemates, which he did very well.

He's a vile individual

God he's an awful human being.

He nominated the two biggest idiots in the house ,,,,,well done Johnny Boy

I'm sure your absolutely right ....what possible reason would I have to doubt you

Exactly Susie,it's not rocket science to workout why he said it really,that is of course if you are fair minded.

john is allright, he cares for his mother that's good enough for me

I cant stand Gemma but I thought that John could have used other examples of times he may have cried and didn't than his Dad dying and his Mum getting sick. THAT WAS WRONG to the extreme. He could have said Gemma you brought me to tears and that is something very few people have ever done. I don't respect him talking about his parents that way. No matter how much he wanted to put his point across he SHOULD NOT have mentioned it. I cried for weeks when my Dad died and had to get counselling to cope as he died suddenly. Different people react differently and many people hold things in but what John said tonight doesn't endear him to anyone like me who's bottom fell out of their world the day a parent dies.

John says the right things in the wrong ways sometimes....but it's what people do that counts and not what they say....each thing he does comes from a good place ....the intentions are good....this is not a bad person ....I think Darren is rinsing it for all its worth....they had a man to man about it and put it to bed, that was genuine from John but clearly not from Darren....and as for that other old trout, nothing she says is genuine and everything she says is always personal.....I'm frustrated with some of em tonight ....it's like they're all scared of Gemma.....it's amazing

Nicely said Riona.

Has John no self respect? I would never in a million years have admitted to Gemma that she made me cry. Never! WTH was he thinking...:shocked:

Oh the good old days

'Your playing a very dirty game Nick'

..wow, what a cruel, cold-hearted thing to say to someone..I didn't cry when my father died and I didn't cry through my mother's illness but YOU made me cry...that really did reach the lowest low...it could be said that says more about him than it does her..(and she's pretty darn grim as well..)...his emotions are all about him..me, me, me, don't you dare make me unhappy...self-centred...but really he didn't cry for his parents/when his dad dies/when his mum became ill etc so maybe, just maybe he's so very much needed that cry, that release of emotions that being in the BB house has given...so not really a bad thing, the crying in itself bursting to come out..ok, the trigger to it may not be the best and has made him feel miserable but it may still have been a trigger that was so needed....it's not just that though, it's the whole irony of what he so cruelly said...YOU MADE ME CRY, THAT'S HOW AWFUL YOU ARE....well, you would only say something as cruel as that if you wanted to really, really upset someone, if you wanted to project something that you feel back on them out of spite..so basically to try and make them cry...she didn't cry, well she hasn't atm...but that's what something like that was designed to do....she's grim, he's grim, they're as grim as each other and as me, me, me as each other....and not really seeing that the house/being in the house could be something that they could take positives from, releases that they both may need...

..he made me annoyed....

I hate the assumption that because someone doesn't cry/scream/ tear their hair, that they don't feel. Some people are more private and don't wish to show their emotions to public view.:shrug:

I think cold is spilling water on the floor and not caring if someone breaks their neck falling on it. Then having the nerve to suggest to Christopher that is was a stupid reason.

he was sooking her bum on last nights l/f

I really don't know why? none of us know what his relationship with his father was and a lot of people don't cry at funerals but cry privately,so ,no sorry, I don't see what he has said so wrong again,he was obviously getting across to Gemma how awful her behaviour is ,John is dramatic but he certainly is not cold and cruel imo.

Ah,you think so :laugh::laugh:(Johns not daft)

johns not mad..****in chicken nuggets,

This^