that was the weirdest conversation ever. i have no idea what either of them were talking about. they are both crazy.

..anyone who had any active part in how Steph was humiliated last night, cannot think of themselves as any type of winner at all...

No not crazy, just a very bad script even more badly delivered

Best part of last nigths show, John ate her up and spat her out

The edit could make Mother Theresa look like a villain, manipulating the viewers into hating or feeling sorry for someone

John meant he had already won over her in the argument was my take on it ,and he's right, he did

I never thought this and straight away I thought he was going to be set up and look what has happened. john is a nice guy.

Jet it's not quiet on here from me....I just think you shouldn't use someone else thread, about the bathroom scene with Tiffany and John, for your own other completely different argument....that's why everyone's not flocking to you....so start your own thread
I think if everyone is honest though there ain't one house mate who's an innocent ...and the only two remaining who haven't been directly nasty to anyone in the house is Jeremy and Scotty.
For me, I always love the ones who can make me laugh with what they say and that is def Steph right now.

So there's lots of choices folkes, none em are Mother Theresa but apart from one, they all have good qualities and strengths as well as flaws...
Only waste of space, and it's a lot of space, is that old Essex Bitch and I want to see her break...see the cracks open up...see everyone def her out and really starve her, starve her by ignoring her, cause she feeds on people like a parasite.

:clap1: Its been a long time coming,but the house is finally turning against Gemma, the boos on Friday have told them exactly what they were thinking, she's the most disliked in there

She was in the first 3 saved...out of 7 :laugh:

John got massive boos too yet was still saved.
He & Gemma must have a big fan base.
I dislike both of them & can't think of one nice thing to say about either.
At least Tiff had the guts to challenge John. None of the others have :shrug:
Sorry Chuff but I just can't take to John. I just find him so arrogant & nasty.

Timebomb promo?

No. It was the opposite way round lmao

He was just being funny. Well, I laughed !!!!!

I don't ignore anything any of them do, I look at both sides, which is why I've supported Jeremy and Steph so much...I have just watched last nights BB properly and I am gutted by John and Christopher's behaviour....can't defend it but can go part way to explaining why I think the women's behaviour was worse...blokes do things like that to each other all the time , and guys most often would laugh it off if it was done to them...
but girls are different, usually they stick together when guys act like immature pricks in sensitive matters, that's when girls look out for each other...those girls should have JUMPED to Stephs defence and shouted the guys down....and once again the linchpin in the centre of it all was Gemma.

Maybe, but that doesn't mean she topped the vote of the three, plus voting opened up/started before she showed herself up nonstop for the toerag she is or I doubt she would have gained so many votes. If she is so popular, then why do you think BB had to maneuver an immunity for her, doesn't take much working out.

Steph should be keeping her knickers to herself & not leaving them lying around, I don't honestly know why somebody would leave their dirty underwear around in a house full of people :shrug:
BUT I really do think it's disgusting that they made such a big deal of it.
I actually felt sorry for Steph. It must have been so humiliating. I would never want to make fun of another like that.
So yes, I do think the boys were totally wrong.

This thread was related to the issue as it was because of the knicker incident that Tiff was speaking to John, but no, what I was posting wasn't directly related. I was so mad at John though that I didn't even think about that. I rarely make threads any more, but I'll remember now to do that in future now you've pointed it out - you have done me a favour! :thumbs:

:clap1: Well at last ,someone who is not solely putting the blame on John,I agree with your post,and to be fair the boys didn't know who's they were so they weren't picking on anyone,just being dicks.

Sorry, but if you think only the boys were wrong then I can't possibly take you seriously....the girls were being cruel, mean bitches....
And as for Westbrook, if she's really got a problem with untidy clothes then how can she have such an alliance with Gemma who is hands down the laziest, most greedy selfish person to ever be in there....hypocrites they are.
The only person who put a stop to it and once again went against the crowd was Jeremy....yet they all said he was a wimp...BLIND the lot of em.

That's good, because it was a very valid point and would have been a good thread

John has won,of course he has , as have the others who stay the distance as they have bagged a good amount of money ,there is no prize at the end so,of course it's a win.

I didn't get that. Gemma and Steph were already at each others throats before the knicker incident and that carried on. Can you tell me what she did that makes you think she was the linchpin in the centre specifically in the knicker incident?
I thought Danniella was much worse.

When did I say the girls were not in the wrong :shrug:
They were so wrapped up in themselves saying "Not my knickers" that they totally forgot a young girl was going to be humiliated.
I don't like Steph but I have to say if I were in that house I would have gone mental seeing another ridiculed like that.
Danniella & Gemma seemed more concerned with using it as more ammo against Steph.
Darren & Christopher got away with it too.
Yes, John was in the wrong but so were a lot of others.
I felt so sorry for Steph. I had respect for her when she stood up for herself.
Why would anyone want to take the piss out of somebody over this ?.
Tiff & Jeremy were the only one's who felt for her.

you are absolutely right. He is a winner. It is strange but unfortunately true, that a lot of people equate winning with being crowned "The Winner", when in reality it is about being a decent person. No matter what GC or TP may say John is most definitely a better person than either of them. His behaviour during the whole "Davids' dead" debacle was not intimidation or puppet mastering, he was the only one capable of expressing what most (if they are honest) of the housemates were thinking at that time, that TP was a loose cannon, as her behaviour at the time showed. She had clearly lost the plot over Angie's news, but at NO POINT did Angie say to TP "David Gest is Dead" which is what TP kept saying to housemates. Angie said "Davids dead" the fact that TP took that to be DG was her own fault, and shows that she is volatile, but to say that Angie said "David Gest is dead" was a lie, plain and simple. John being older, and dare i say it WITH MORE INTELLIGENCE could see through TP and clearly was concerned not only for her but for the fellow housemates, lets face it, her language, behaviour and ranting dont actually tend to show a stable minded logical reasonable woman. I think she showed all of us viewing public last night her true self, when she declared she would "open my arms, my mouth and my legs" to "comfort" Scotty T! John has undoubtably proved himself to be a winner, and lets remember its for his Mum, not him, thats the mark of a truly unselfish person. I truly hope that BB makes GC do a horrid task to keep her immunity, so that she walks, she has proved to be a vile piece of work, and as someone said her "career" will hopefully head South.