Originally Posted by MB. (Post 8460877)

Not nearly as legendary as our lord and saviour Dame Gemma Collins, though

Originally Posted by luvjustin (Post 8460927)

Beautifully put!

To be honest I don't think it's ALL an act. There is a lot of the real Gemma in there. She does have a vicious selfish streak in her character. (Don't we all) but I don't think she's gone as far as bullying as others would have you believe. She has had some bad reactions to situations but never once (that we have seen) initiated any kind of personal abuse.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 8460812)

I'm afraid your defense of Gemma isn't realistic, and here is why.

1, Irrespective of whether its on TV or not, they are all staying their 24/7 (or at least should be) so they have to conform to social norms or be criticised. Gemma is not conforming to social norms.

2. Some may consider humiliating and abusing others entertaining, but the vast majority of viewers do not. Also, one only needs to look at her eyes to know she is not acting in the slightest.

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 8460963)

I feel the same way about Tiffany as Kirk feels about Gemma, her support baffles me. I can understand the Gemma support far more easily than support for Tiffany. What is so special about her? I find nothing about her appealing, she isn't amusing, she seems obsessed with getting it on with some guy, any guy, in the house and her behaviour over 'David is dead' was plain out of order and bizarre!.

Originally Posted by ScottyT (Post 8460939)

Personal abuse? Didn't she nudge Steph and then go outside and call her a nasty ****ing bitch or something? When her and Daniella left the game she went on about how she hates her etc. All personal abuse, take the GC-tinted shades off...

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 8460948)

Conform to the norm of norm conform

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8461016)

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I'll normin stormin that shiz performin freestylin borin hair formin numpty!

Originally Posted by luvjustin (Post 8460927)

Beautifully put!

To be honest I don't think it's ALL an act. There is a lot of the real Gemma in there. She does have a vicious selfish streak in her character. (Don't we all) but I don't think she's gone as far as bullying as others would have you believe. She has had some bad reactions to situations but never once (that we have seen) initiated any kind of personal abuse.

Originally Posted by ScottyT (Post 8460939)

Personal abuse? Didn't she nudge Steph and then go outside and call her a nasty ****ing bitch or something? When her and Daniella left the game she went on about how she hates her etc. All personal abuse, take the GC-tinted shades off...

Originally Posted by jet (Post 8461081)

You are correct. They think if they call Gemma a bully often enough, people will start to believe it. They forget we watch the same show.
For instance, take knickergate. I've read all over the place that Gemma was in the thick of it with her 'cronies' and how she was horrible to Steph about it. All made up nonsense. Gemma had nothing to do with it and the only things she said were 'Jeremy will wash them for her now' and then at the table 'it's not fair to leave them on the table'. That's it. She never said a word about it to Steph.
Yet they brushed off what John did as nothing. That's the sort of insidious falsehoods that they think will make people join them in their hatred.
It doesn't work - it only makes people want to support her more which in turn leads to more votes.

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 8460763)

I typed all this out before the other thread was closed and it's not going to waste (plus it's a genuine, civil response so)...



Let's see.

She has openly admitted she is just trying to 'make good TV' and is purposely exaggerating herself and to an extent playing a character in order to do so, which to start with is extremely commendable. It is about time more celebrities learnt that they need to earn their fee, instead of sitting on their arse and contributing **** all to the series, often sailing their way through undeservedly to the final and completely wasting the budget. The fact she realises this is an entertainment programme and is consciously providing both the viewers and producers with material is something to be applauded.

Furthermore, her ridiculously over the top outbursts and meltdowns that are so obviously fake - for reasons outlined above - are absolutely hilarious :joker: and what makes them so funny is not just because of their nature, but because the other housemates foolishly keep lapping up everything she is doing, when she categorically keeps spelling out to them that she is just 'trying to make a TV show'. They are playing right into her hands and it's so very silly.

I am sure someone will be quick to point out that this is not 'an act', and even if this is the case, this is a television show and not real life, so it doesn't matter. Nobody is denying that acts such as accepting a blow dry in return for sacrificing hot water for the rest of the house, or refusing to take part in tasks etc etc is selfish. Of course it is selfish, and if it weren't within the confines of an entertainment programme it would be condemnable, but there are of course two ways of seeing this since we're talking about such actions in the context of a TV show - one, on a personal level as something that is 'morally' wrong, but on the other as something that needs to be applauded for being something that 'rocks the boat', causes a discussion, pisses people off.

There would be nothing duller than in such situations for housemates to go 'nah guys I'm not that selfish, let's just keep the hot water' or 'I am going to be a team player guys!!!!'...because that's the scene over, and how boring is that? You need housemates that don't play ball and are difficult to live with. We, as viewers, are not living with them - and it's important for us to remember this. I am damn sure that if I were living with someone like Gemma I'd be pissed off at her actions, but I am not and this is not a morality competition, it's an entertainment programme. I am not seeking new friends or people to hang out with, so why would I judge housemates in such a way? You need housemates like Gemma (and countless others) to keep what is an entertainment television programme interesting.

Originally Posted by Jordan. (Post 8462253)

Just let people support who they want. I don't why every series people need to shove down others throat who is the ENTERTAINING characters like it isn't something that's subjective.

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot (Post 8460922)

and even though I do love me some Gemma, here's what I have to say

-The idea of "you have to earn your fee" triggers my BB16 PTSD and is way too eerily similar to Marc (and the show itself) pushing forth the beliefs that this is Big Brother WHY ARE YOU ALL GETTING ALONG and that if you're not providing off-the-wall antics and arguments then you're wasting your time and you're not a good HM. I don't think reality TV is nearly as black and white as that dichotomy is, and I prefer quality over quantity.

-I also like to at least pretend that there's some human component to the shows I watch but the whole framework of Be A Good Housemate is completely disingenuous and is nothing close to human behavior. Like, it's literally antisocial behavior, and this is a show that is completely made up of human-to-human interactions. This also applies to the idea of BB being a morality competition, because I find this show REALLY hard to watch when its values are nowhere in line with my personal values (hence why BB15 and 16 are my two least fave series.)

-I don't really care about people's reactions playing right into Gemma's hands, because the idea of people duping each other in the BBUK house in terms of gameplay is so ****ing boring to me, but Aaron somehow won BB12 so I guess some people are into that.

But regardless of all of this, I still love Gemma! The two easiest ways to get into my heart are by being hilarious and by being righteous, and Gemma is most definitely the former. I place a high value on humor because BBUK might be the funniest show I watch, and Gemma's made this series enjoyable for me because her humor is right up my alley.

Originally Posted by Jordan. (Post 8462253)

Just let people support who they want. I don't why every series people need to shove down others throat who is the ENTERTAINING characters like it isn't something that's subjective.

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 8462287)

Agree with a lot of this (apart from loving Gemma). I've never cared for really contrived housemates and never will. Of course BB is an entertainment show but it's also supposed to be a reality show where everything is not perfectly scripted or all about manufactured drama: if I just wanted that then I'd watch a sitcom or a drama. I like seeing real behaviour, I like seeing how vastly different people interact when forced to and I like seeing how all the stresses and the reality of life in the BB fishbowl impact on a person. That is what has always been interesting about the show.