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Marsh. 10-04-2016 02:59 PM
Rylan Clark-Neals fingernails support this theory.

arista 10-04-2016 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 8605139)
The poll was carried out by ICM and actually found that 52% of British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal, not just that its unclean



This is concerning stuff and something that needs facing up to not just dismissed as bias


Yes I am going to Record
Ch4HD 10PM on Wednesday

Redway 10-04-2016 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 8605139)
The poll was carried out by ICM and actually found that 52% of British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal, not just that its unclean



This is concerning stuff and something that needs facing up to not just dismissed as bias
That wouldn't just be indicative of Muslims, though. I'm sure a similar number of Christians would think the same.

Religion's notorious for homophobia in general and that's not something specific to Islam.

MTVN 10-04-2016 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Redway (Post 8605176)
That wouldn't just be indicative of Muslims, though. I'm sure a similar number of Christians would think the same.

Religion's notorious for homophobia in general and that's not something specific to Islam.
52% of Christians would think homosexuality should be illegal? I doubt that very much. I'd be amazed if it was higher than 10%

Redway 10-04-2016 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 8605193)
52% of Christians would think homosexuality should be illegal? I doubt that very much. I'd be amazed if it was higher than 10%
It depends on the branch of Christianity, obviously, but I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised to find the vast majority of some hardcore denominations questioning the legality of homosexuality.

I haven't read the thing properly yet but it's pretty even from what I can see. 52% might be a sizeable proportion but there's clearly just as many who don't have an issue with the legal status of it.

arista 10-04-2016 03:25 PM
52% of Muslims say Gays should be illegal.


Is the correct title , now

Will be on CH4HD 10PM Weds
"What British Muslims Really Think"

DemolitionRed 10-04-2016 03:27 PM
52% of the Muslims asked but how many hundred/thousand/million were asked?

Crimson Dynamo 10-04-2016 03:27 PM
I wonder how many muslim men are gay as compared to the UK average

probably higher

:suspect:

MTVN 10-04-2016 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 8605214)
52% of the Muslims asked but how many hundred/thousand/million were asked?
1,801

arista 10-04-2016 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8605215)
I wonder how many muslim men are gay as compared to the UK average

probably higher

:suspect:

Yes but if the are Gay
they are no longer in the family etc.
Even harder for Gay Muslims

Cherie 10-04-2016 04:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 8605139)
The poll was carried out by ICM and actually found that 52% of British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal, not just that its unclean



This is concerning stuff and something that needs facing up to not just dismissed as bias

.

If this thread was about Christians this would be upheld as fact

Ninastar 10-04-2016 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 8605286)
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If this thread was about Christians this would be upheld as fact
So true. Tbh I'm totally not surprised it turned into a debate about Christians being worse.

kirklancaster 10-04-2016 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 8605286)
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If this thread was about Christians this would be upheld as fact
:clap1::clap1::clap1: I am astonished how many Egyptians are on this forum when it comes to any truths about Muslims, because that's when they're all in DE NIAL.

This poll was carried out among ORDINARY Muslims - NOT extremists - yet we have responses claiming a similar result would be obtained if EXTREMIST Christians were polled. The two are not the same by a country mile.

bots 10-04-2016 05:01 PM
Well, the first question to ask is what % is it when asking random members of the public rather than a specific group, then there is something to compare it against

Redway 10-04-2016 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Ninastar (Post 8605357)
So true. Tbh I'm totally not surprised it turned into a debate about Christians being worse.
Yeah, it really hasn't if you're talking about me. All I did was point out that I wouldn't be surprised if some branches of Christianity thought the same. There's hardly pages' worth of Christianity vs. Islam.

I'm no fan of Islam by any stretch of the imagination but it's not crazy to suggest that those stats are there to bolster a biased agenda.

kirklancaster 10-04-2016 05:04 PM
[QUOTE=MTVN;8605139]The poll was carried out by ICM and actually found that 52% of British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal, not just that its unclean



This is concerning stuff and something that needs facing up to not just dismissed as bias[/QUOTE]

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

Kizzy 10-04-2016 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 8605193)
52% of Christians would think homosexuality should be illegal? I doubt that very much. I'd be amazed if it was higher than 10%
Ask the Anglicans, ask the African Anglicans you might be surprised.

Ninastar 10-04-2016 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Redway (Post 8605384)
Yeah, it really hasn't if you're talking about me. All I did was point out that I wouldn't be surprised if some branches of Christianity thought the same. There's hardly pages' worth of Christianity vs. Islam.

I'm no fan of Islam by any stretch of the imagination but it's not crazy to suggest that those stats are there to bolster a biased agenda.
I was just talking about it in general

MTVN 10-04-2016 06:16 PM
The closest comparison amongst Christians I can find is this poll from 2011:

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Six in ten respondents (61%) agree that homosexuals should have the same legal rights in all aspects of their lives as heterosexuals, and those who disapprove of sexual relations between two adults of the same sex (29%) are greatly outnumbered by those who do not (46%).

https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchp...s-in-2011.aspx
So far from wanting homosexuality to be illegal, nearly two thirds of Christians think they should have the same rights in every aspect of their lives, and only 29% disapprove of same sex couples. Yes some Christian branches will be more conservative, but like Kirk says thats irrelevant given that this was a poll of Muslims as a whole not of one extreme branch so its not comparing like with like.

Redway 10-04-2016 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 8605552)
The closest comparison amongst Christians I can find is this poll from 2011:



So far from wanting homosexuality to be illegal, nearly two thirds of Christians think they should have the same rights in every aspect of their lives, and only 29% disapprove of same sex couples. Yes some Christian branches will be more conservative, but like Kirk says thats irrelevant given that this was a poll of Muslims as a whole not of one extreme branch so its not comparing like with like.
Fair dos. I won't argue with statistics but it's clear to me that whoever initiated that article isn't a huge fan of Muslims in general and those results only serve to bolster his bias. Even if they are accurate.

Kizzy 10-04-2016 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 8605552)
The closest comparison amongst Christians I can find is this poll from 2011:



So far from wanting homosexuality to be illegal, nearly two thirds of Christians think they should have the same rights in every aspect of their lives, and only 29% disapprove of same sex couples. Yes some Christian branches will be more conservative, but like Kirk says thats irrelevant given that this was a poll of Muslims as a whole not of one extreme branch so its not comparing like with like.
Isn't it ironic to rely on a study by the Richard Dawkins foundation to gather data on Christians? :laugh:

bots 10-04-2016 08:24 PM
here is an interesting graph plotting 1983 to 2010

http://www.brin.ac.uk/wp-content/upl...o-figure-1.png


http://www.brin.ac.uk/figures/attitu...ds-gay-rights/

the truth 10-04-2016 08:47 PM
the self defeating liberals will bury their heads in the politically correct sand and blame everything on the daily mail. the truth is vast numbers of muslims do have some hardline views on homosexuality womens rights and human rights

Firewire 10-04-2016 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 8605932)
the self defeating liberals will bury their heads in the politically correct sand and blame everything on the daily mail. the truth is vast numbers of muslims do have some hardline views on homosexuality womens rights and human rights
this is true, but so do many other religions. look at Africa. many countries are predominately Christian and have extreme anti-gay laws. Look at Russia, that's not a Muslim country, but has extreme anti-gay laws and homophobia is rife. North Carolina is trying to pass an anti-gay law. That's not a Muslim state.

It's not a Muslim issue. It's an issue with many people, religious or not.

user104658 10-04-2016 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 8605377)

This poll was carried out among ORDINARY Muslims - NOT extremists - yet we have responses claiming a similar result would be obtained if EXTREMIST Christians were polled. The two are not the same by a country mile.
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Originally Posted by Wonderful wonderful meee
It just so happens that Islamic communities tend towards the more "heavily religious" than vaguely quasi-Christian communities where only something like 10% of people who call themselves Christian actually attend church etc.
"Ordinary" Muslims are more strictly religious than "Ordinary" Christians. This is the only reason that the poll results would differ.


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