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the truth 25-05-2016 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 8663421)
By getting rid of this new 'neo-liberal style conservatism'. I'm sure there are plenty of conservative MP's who would support that move.

What does new neo liberal mean

Livia 25-05-2016 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 8664449)
What does new neo liberal mean

Whatever they are, I'm sure getting rid of them isn't going to lead us to Utopia.

the truth 25-05-2016 01:00 PM

Are they the types of people who banned bendy bananas

Livia 25-05-2016 01:01 PM

I like my bananas bendy...

the truth 25-05-2016 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8664463)
I like my bananas bendy...

Tmi
Lol

Livia 25-05-2016 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 8664469)
Tmi
Lol

LOL....

DemolitionRed 25-05-2016 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 8664449)
What does new neo liberal mean

http://www.globalexchange.org/resour...liberalismhist

Kizzy 25-05-2016 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 8664449)
What does new neo liberal mean

It's an ideology that runs a country into the ground, outsource industry to reduce employment while at the same time privatising anything in the public sector with greatly reduced regulation and or accountability.
Demolish infrastructure by giving other governments control of essential services.
Trade with anyone regardless of human rights record and preach aherance to tax laws unless you are rich enough to not have to.

DemolitionRed 25-05-2016 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8664512)
It's an ideology that runs a country into the ground, outsource industry to reduce employment while at the same time privatising anything in the public sector with greatly reduced regulation and or accountability.
Demolish infrastructure by giving other governments control of essential services.
Trade with anyone regardless of human rights record and preach aherance to tax laws unless you are rich enough to not have to.

Yes, its corporate rule. The only people who would vote for neoliberalism is the top 20% but because its a clever game where most people don't have a clue about neoliberal ideologies, the loser will be conned into voting for them.

Livia 25-05-2016 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 8664541)
Yes, its corporate rule. The only people who would vote for neoliberalism is the top 20% but because its a clever game where most people don't have a clue about neoliberal ideologies, the loser will be conned into voting for them.

We're lucky then to be in the company of someone who's got a tight grip on the handle of this, as well as so many other things.

Kizzy 25-05-2016 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8664566)
We're lucky then to be in the company of someone who's got a tight grip on the handle of this, as well as so many other things.

It's a discussion forum Livia, most have a grasp of how those work.

DemolitionRed 25-05-2016 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8664625)
It's a discussion forum Livia, most have a grasp of how those work.

Oh don't worry, I'm used to her cute sarcasms and put downs. Perhaps I should be honoured that she pays me so much attention :hee:

Kizzy 25-05-2016 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 8664841)
Oh don't worry, I'm used to her cute sarcasms and put downs. Perhaps I should be honoured that she pays me so much attention :hee:

You should haha, but seriously I agree with your interpretation it's bang on for me.

Edit: I just realised your post is my sig :joker:

lostalex 28-05-2016 11:21 AM

based on results... obviously Capitalism.

People need to have hope. if you have no hope that you can lift yourself higher then there is no reason to wake up in the morning. if everyone is just limited and equal then it's like being an animal in a zoo.

everyone gets just the right amount of food, and everyone gets just the same amount of play time, and everyone gets just the same amount of attention. it's like being an animal in a cage. people need to believe that they can earn more, and create whatever they want to create.

We are not animals in a zoo that all get taken care of by BIG BROTHER. People like and prefer to take care of themselves! it gives them self confidence and hope and satisfaction.

we don't want to be plants that are watered by the government. we can take care of ourselves!

Kizzy 28-05-2016 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8668547)
based on results... obviously Capitalism.

People need to have hope. if you have no hope that you can lift yourself higher then there is no reason to wake up in the morning. if everyone is just limited and equal then it's like being an animal in a zoo.

everyone gets just the right amount of food, and everyone gets just the same amount of play time, and everyone gets just the same amount of attention. it's like being an animal in a cage. people need to believe that they can earn more, and create whatever they want to create.

We are not animals in a zoo that all get taken care of by BIG BROTHER. People like and prefer to take care of themselves! it gives them self confidence and hope and satisfaction.

we don't want to be plants that are watered by the government. we can take care of ourselves!

And yet thanks to capitalism that's what many of us have become, wage slaves chasing the next paycheck trapped in gray conurbations surrounded by the like.

lostalex 28-05-2016 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8668569)
And yet thanks to capitalism that's what many of us have become, wage slaves chasing the next paycheck trapped in gray conurbations surrounded by the like.

but capitalism is no where near as bad as communism/socialism.. north korea, china, cuba, venuzuela...

if you want to know the truth, look at migration. people vote with their feet.

How many Chinese try to move to America every year VS. how many Americans try to move to China every year?

Kizzy 28-05-2016 11:44 AM

well human rights may have a part to play too there Alex come on be fair :laugh:

lostalex 28-05-2016 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8668577)
well human rights may have a part to play too there Alex come on be fair :laugh:

Umm, well yea kizzy, duh.. obviously there is a pattern that countries that are economically restricting also have major issues with human rights... the point is that when the government takes control it's gonna discriminate against a lot of people, the government is there to RESTRICT people. The more powerful the government the more restrictions.

Kizzy 28-05-2016 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8668590)
Umm, well yea kizzy, duh.. obviously there is a pattern that countries that are economically restricting also have major issues with human rights... the point is that when the government takes control it's gonna discriminate against a lot of people, the government is there to RESTRICT people. The more powerful the government the more restrictions.

You say that like it's a good thing, what about the US and gun laws, where's the restriction from people waving guns about?
Any govt with discrimination at it's core sounds corrupt to me.

lostalex 28-05-2016 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8668594)
You say that like it's a good thing, what about the US and gun laws, where's the restriction from people waving guns about?
Any govt with discrimination at it's core sounds corrupt to me.

Um, there are very strict laws in the US against people "waving guns about" so i'm not sure what you mean? :shrug:

I've lived here for 34 years, and i've never seen anyone waving a gun. and i would most certainly call 911 if i did see it.

Kizzy 28-05-2016 12:07 PM

That was just the example that popped in my head sorry, I don't feel that economic restriction and lack of human rights should be interlinked, removal of human rights is happening here now, in a capitalist society.
Personally I would like to see a more socialist perspective in the UK (with human rights too) I'd like to see all sectors unionised and regulated too for balance.

DemolitionRed 28-05-2016 01:32 PM

The rich of this country rely very much on the social system. Capitalism for the poor and socialism for the rich. Look what happened when the banks crashed; the government stepped in and bailed them out but did they bail out Joe Blogs when Sainsbury’s stopped buying things from his small business? Of course they didn’t because Joe Blogs lives within a Capitalist society which is sink or swim for small time businesses like his.

Supermarket profits are on the up since the government built in schemes to send in workers free of charge in return for work experience stacking shelves. Tax credits have ensured corporate companies can get away with paying a minimum wage because the government will subsidize what they don’t want to pay. All these big business benefit from tax payers money. State aid/subsidy for the big boys is at an all time high. Contrast that with the benefit sanctions for the poor in the name of ‘austerity.’

We are looking at a style of capitalism that has gone very wrong. A style of capitalism that creates unaffordable borrowing, ridiculous house pricing and massive amounts of poverty.

Capitalism is a wonderful thing but this isn’t capitalism, that’s just a name they’ve given it to con us all into believing we need to try harder because there may just be a pot of gold at the end of that rainbow.

Kizzy 28-05-2016 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 8668659)
The rich of this country rely very much on the social system. Capitalism for the poor and socialism for the rich. Look what happened when the banks crashed; the government stepped in and bailed them out but did they bail out Joe Blogs when Sainsbury’s stopped buying things from his small business? Of course they didn’t because Joe Blogs lives within a Capitalist society which is sink or swim for small time businesses like his.

Supermarket profits are on the up since the government built in schemes to send in workers free of charge in return for work experience stacking shelves. Tax credits have ensured corporate companies can get away with paying a minimum wage because the government will subsidize what they don’t want to pay. All these big business benefit from tax payers money. State aid/subsidy for the big boys is at an all time high. Contrast that with the benefit sanctions for the poor in the name of ‘austerity.’

We are looking at a style of capitalism that has gone very wrong. A style of capitalism that creates unaffordable borrowing, ridiculous house pricing and massive amounts of poverty.

Capitalism is a wonderful thing but this isn’t capitalism, that’s just a name they’ve given it to con us all into believing we need to try harder because there may just be a pot of gold at the end of that rainbow.

Of course we're just rats on a wheel, some may have better straw and a bigger wheel but you're no less rat.


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