:laugh: aww thanks

Actually I've never said I think he's a victim but you seem to be in the habit of putting words into the mouths of Hughie fans lately so feel free to carry that on if you like.

I do think he's been on the receiving end of stuff that makes me understand his losses of temper, though.

And if you truly think Natalie is being scapegoated then I beg to differ I'm afraid.

Because he said it on TV. He's on the show for me to judge he put hI'm self forward to be judged, if I went and quoted people who said nasty things about people's weight and stuff on here I'd be breaking the rules for going off topic and having a go at fmers

Hughie is probably more argumentative tbh its just that he is more likeable. We've seen a few sides to Hughie and it doesn't seem like all there is to him is drama and arguing. Also Hughie only got mad at Alex because overtime him or anyone tries to stop an argument they tell him to pipe down even tho the other party is being just as loud as him, I can see why he would be frustrated.

Not really irrelevant tho is he? he's had a fair amount of air time showing him interacting with the housemates and having some fun before the first time he flipped out. I mean is Natalie even at all relevant when she's not causing drama? I like her but she's very one dimensional Don't really get what you mean by the Ryan thing. Ryan seems to be the one pushing the relationship. its not even really a showmance they've kissed like twice and had one joke date. He doesn't spend all day in bed with Ryan, he's hardly talks about it and he hasn't even acknowledged it as a relationship so I don't really get what you mean by he's pushing the showmance for air time.. If anything Hughie seems hesitant to take this any further with Ryan.

Lol was he supposed to in like "yeah hi I'm hughie, btw lateysha I called you a slut in the first week sorry"? like what was he meant to do? Natalie snitched on him minutes after they all moved in. He didn't really get the chance to ever talk to lateysha.

Most Hughie fans have acknowledged that he can aggressive and no one really blames Natalie. He's only argues with her twice and has a lot more arguments with other people so that argument just isn't realistic in the slightest.

Lateysha didn't 'bellyach' over it. She handled it very well imo

So you're telling me that you've never made a negative judgement of someone on first impressions? I don't mean to come off as confrontational but well done if you haven't because you're in a tiny minority if that's the case and it makes you a better person than me and Hughie and 95% of the planet.:joker:

Ive no problem you being one of the posters who love to cut and paste peoples posts but why remove all the relevant information in my post that targets Laura in the same way and hi lights how Charlie, Huey and Jayne also accused someone of being a slag ?
Why make me look like I've just attacked Lateysha ? And why edit the full post that explains how I came to my conclusion ?
I wud appreciate you stop doing that...it looks like a deliberate attempt to edit me in a bad way on purpose.

To be fair as well Hughie was commenting on what he had seen of her on the valleys, and yeah what he said was wrong but it doesn't really make him a bad person? Like how black and white does your view on the world have to be to completely determine a person's character based on one throw aways comment they made :laugh:

Would that be your full opinion or an edited version ?

I may have in the past when I was like 14-16 but Hughie is about 22 isn't he? I am above calling people fat and slutty at 18 so I do think I'm a much better person than him, yes. :laugh:

Armand :worship:

Not weight jibes, but initial personality traits when you meet people for the first time?

Or even negative impressions when speaking to people on the Internet for the first time?

Perhaps the lies she's said about Jayne, accusing her of not really donating any money to charity, and her total unwillingness to hear anything that doesn't suit her agenda? Just a hunch.

Armand.kay I do think he's irrelevant without somebody to clash with or the showmance. He's had no stand out moments...even when he argues it's just messy. I personally find Natalie funnier than him when they row because she has control of herself still.

Swings n round-a-bouts though :love:

You see, now you're cherry picking. Fair enough, yeah, those type of comments are not very nice but i'm sure we're all guilty of making rash judgements on people we have never met before. But away from all of that, I really do believe that he is a genuine person and like what others have said, he only becomes aggressive when he is standing up for himself, unlike Natalie, who on many occasions has showed aggressive behaviour for no apparent reason.

If I met somebody who was bigger I wouldn't automatically think fatty and if I saw somebody with cleaveage on show I wouldn't think slut if that's what you're asking

Tbh she can barely breathe when she gets in arguments, she gets herself so worked up.

I don't think everyone calls a person a slag (vile word) before they've met them but if you say so!

It's because he's reactionary I think. Natalie is aggressive without reason. Hughie's only lost his **** when he's provoked and is agreable most of the time.

Is that what I said though? I was talking about rash judgements in general

1) we don't even know for sure that Hughie even called Lateysha fat or a slag. It's all just hearsay from Natalie who has a track record of lying like when she said Hughie brought up her weight when he never has.

2) even if he did call her that it was on night one based on a 30 second video introduction, as part of a task where they were encouraged to make judgements on the housemates. That doesn't reflect on his personality at all

Hughie's Dr rant is probs the stand out moment of the series.

But like I've said before we've seen more of Hughie just being normal, chill and having fun with other housemates than we've seen of Natalie which is why i believe he brings more to the house and why most people prefer him to Natalie. We've also not really seen him be vindictive and manipulative like we have with Natalie which would also explain why people like Hughie and don't like Natalie.

That's fair enough, but would you have a positive impression by someone dressing with their cleaveage hanging out on your first impressions of her? Because to me my first impressions of her was that she looked desperate for attention.

Hughie's comments are not what I would ever think from what someone's wearing, but it's obviously first impressions that he obviously can have on people.

:laugh:

Well, give me someone that makes pre-judgements over someone that deliberately lies and stirs the pot to cause trouble annnny day.